Winter fuel payment petition

krisskross

mellc wrote: »

i think this was just rubbing salt in the wound. there are people on here who are admitting that they have to turn the heating off even when its freezing outside as they can't afford to have it on. its not the place to discuss your latest cruise. i for one will no longer post on this thread as it has gone totally off subject and nothing you have to contribute now, will in my opinion, have any substance to it as you are totally out of touch with the hardship some of us have to endure. you and people like you are the very reason WFP should be means tested.

Sorry you are so offended that we can afford things. We have nothing we haven't worked hard for. I didn't mean to offend but do you really think you are in actual hardship? Have a look at the poverty thread in DT. Doubt there is anyone in this Welfare State Country that is truly in financial hardship other than because of debt or spending on non essentials.

seven-day-weekend

mellc wrote: »

now i know you are nuts, are you having a laugh???? we are discussing on here if disabled people should qualify for 250.00 WFP and the difference it would make to our lives and your saying which is the best cruise company!!!!! :mad:

I don't think krisskross intended to be insensitive; she was giving good advice for a holiday for people with limited mobility.

Plenty of people with disabilities can afford a cruise as the DLA is not means-tested, so they could have a spouse with a huge salary or a huge income themselves from another source or thousands in savings.

As for income, my husband and I found out the other day that we are officially below the poverty line for income, and yet we can still afford to go on holiday and heat our home. I know we don't have to have extra heating, but the point is, I don't think any of you are going to be below the poverty line, because the governmemt ensures that people with disabilities are not.

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summerof0763 wrote: »

SNIP i take it you most certainly "did not" sign the petiton that this thread is all about??? SNIP

krisskross wrote: »

Not everyone who is disabled is unable to afford a holiday. There were loads of wheelchair bound, obvious stroke victims, people on permanent oxygen, people with learning disabilities on our last cruise.

I thought the issue of the WFP being extended to those on DLA wasn't necessarily on a financial hardship basis but on a fairness one.

I am sure there are many people claiming DLA who have holidays and pay for their heating.

Exactly. I did not sign the petition because I dont think it was thought through or correctly worded.

I have 3 disabilities, DH has two. We both work full time and did go on holiday last year. Yes the WFP would help my energy bills are huge, many would say that how could anyone not benefit from extra money, but it's just not fair to pay it to everyone. Many dont 'need' it and should not get it. I dont think a blanket policy of paying it to all disabled people is the correct thing to do for disabled people or the public purse.

Being disabled does not equal = unable, living in the worst poverty, incapable of earning, For every disabled person in the country.

Indie_Kid

krisskross wrote: »

I have more knowledge of disabling illnesses than you will probably ever have. Both personal and professional.

And? So do both my parents. It doesn't mean they know everything. I have quite a lot of knowledge of disabiling illnesses too. (parents & brother are also disabled - but both parents are able to live a normal-ish life)

My good days would be a bad day for someone who doesn't have my disability because I talk about good days where I can manage and bad days where it's difficult, very bad days where I can't.

I agree. I have a friend whose son is unable to dress himself. On a good day I can; but on bad days, it can take anything up to 10 minutes just to put a sock on.

picassopete

sh1305 wrote: »

I suggest you look up the criteria for CWP.

DLA DOESN'T cover everything. Tell that to a friend of mine who receive HRC and doesn't see a penny of that for equipment they need. And social services / ILF want more than what their DLA is.

If it did cover everything, then why am I having to save up my care component for 2.5 years (yes, really) just so I can read properly? And why are some of us having to use our own money to pay for the equipment we need? By the time I've paid for the food, (because I'm wheat intolerant) wet wipes and nappy sacks, that only leaves me with a couple of quid each week- that will not cover the extra water or heating I need to use.

Severely disabled people don't all get disability benefits.

i can see where mellc is coming from, you look at the above post and see people are scratching around for a couple of quid at the end of the week, and its not only the disabled its working people too.
What appears to me is the main bone of contention on here, we are talking about if people (disabled and over 60) can afford their heating and if they feel entitled to any help. Many disabled people on here think WFP should be means tested, some over 60's don't agree. I think on the whole the ones that don't want it means tested are the ones who wouldn't get it if it were.
I really don't think its fair that it is thrown back in peoples faces that some people have worked all their life to afford good holidays. Many people work all their life and couldn't afford such an expensive holiday and i would think its fair to say that 99% of the disabled folk on here would give anything to work again and indeed many of them do work.

It really isn't fair or fitting to post on here what an excellant crusie company you have used when you could have spent an amount equal to your WFP in tips alone. i think you will find this advice is more fitting to the travel board however well meant it was.

krisskross

picassopete wrote: »

i can see where mellc is coming from, you look at the above post and see people are scratching around for a couple of quid at the end of the week, and its not only the disabled its working people too.
What appears to me is the main bone of contention on here, we are talking about if people (disabled and over 60) can afford their heating and if they feel entitled to any help. Many disabled people on here think WFP should be means tested, some over 60's don't agree. I think on the whole the ones that don't want it means tested are the ones who wouldn't get it if it were.
I really don't think its fair that it is thrown back in peoples faces that some people have worked all their life to afford good holidays. Many people work all their life and couldn't afford such an expensive holiday and i would think its fair to say that 99% of the disabled folk on here would give anything to work again and indeed many of them do work.

It really isn't fair or fitting to post on here what an excellant crusie company you have used when you could have spent an amount equal to your WFP in tips alone. i think you will find this advice is more fitting to the travel board however well meant it was.

How many people wouldn't get DLA if it was means tested? I bet there are many of them but all my suggestions that a benefit that can be worth approx £100 a WEEK be means tested is met with horror yet you are all convinced that the miserable £250 a YEAR WFP should be subjected to means testing to ensure some pensioners are again unable to have a warm worry free winter. You all know very well that many pensioners do not understand or take up means tested benefits which is precisely the reason the WFP is NOT means tested. Quite frankly shame on you to be so selfish.

krisskross

Quote: Most of my hallmates are like this. One spent around £4k on clothes and is now whinging because he has no money left.:rolleyes: As a result, he has a habit of pinching other peoples' pots & pans and hasn't replaced the 2 glasses (not mine) that he smashed.

I will only spend if I have to. I have a budget of £80 per week - I usually have over half of that left. And that's after things such as food and clothes. (I don't buy clothes every week): End Quote.

The post picassopete quoted by sh1305 doesn't really gel with this one she posted on the student board. Must be something dreadfully expensive if she needs to save her surplus for over 2 years to pay for it. So with £40 a week left over I would suggest she is better off than most pensioners getting the WFP and she hasn't yet worked and paid taxes for a lifetime.

Indie_Kid

krisskross wrote: »

The post picassopete quoted by sh1305 doesn't really gel with this one she posted on the student board. Must be something dreadfully expensive if she needs to save her surplus for over 2 years to pay for it. So with £40 a week left over I would suggest she is better off than most pensioners getting the WFP and she hasn't yet worked and paid taxes for a lifetime.

I have weeks where I need to buy things such as textbooks, which aren't cheap. Mine cost me £20 second hand. If I was to buy it brand new, it would cost me nearly 3 times that.

I don't always have £40 left over. Some weeks, it really is only a couple of quid. And no, I don't go out clubbing or buy new clothes all the time. The only reason why I spent so much on clothes last week (around £37) was because I needed them.

I am NOT better off than pensioners. How many pensioners do you know need to buy things scuh as text books?

Would love to know how you know I haven't worked yet? Sounds rather stalkerish to me.

painted_lady

I have signed it. I have multiple health conditions, I have had 14 operations in the last couple of years which has meant I am in the house a lot, housebound & find it difficult to even walk upstairs sometimes. I have had heating on near constant for weeks now.

summerof0763

mellc wrote: »

now i know you are nuts, are you having a laugh???? we are discussing on here if disabled people should qualify for 250.00 WFP and the difference it would make to our lives and your saying which is the best cruise company!!!!! :mad:

i totally agree krisskross is determind to look down on anyone disabled or not!!
but dont forget she as worked all h life and paid her taxes so us mere dare i say humans can claim something for which we are entitled too,would love to see her cope with a disability or an illness that disables her!!
£250 wfp would make a MASSIVE difference to my circumstances in regards to paying my fuel bills.
never mind we can go on a cruise instead soak up the rays,instead in real life we have to freeze or do without food at this time of year!!
ps i noticed she could not answer my last post surprise surprise