Daugter was assaulted what next

Janepig

rose28454 wrote: »

Right let me explain a bit more. One of these girls in the club hit my daughters friend in the club and my dd just pushed her out of the way to prevent her friend further harm. The girls in question were itching for a fight as apparently they were thumpin their fists onthe tables before the left. Yes my daughter was thrown out and not them but it depends what the bouncers saw. The club has brought nothing but trouble to our town since it opened and has just had a 2 week closure due to licence problems. Yes I do agree that her bf should not have left her but she had been at a football match all day and did ask her to come home with him. She wanted to stay out as it was her birthday earlier inthe week and her birthday meal was cancelled due to weather. There was a mix of boys and girls in the group and they all said they would make sure she got home ok.
Yes there is alcohol to be taken into account so maybe the police advice should be sought in this case
I am grateful for all responses even the critical ones. I was really mad with her at the police bringing her home from the club she swore she would never go to again and I actually left her BF tocalm her down and put her to bed

Thing is, I know what you're saying in all of the above, that the club is known for trouble, that these girls were spoiling for a fight, etc, etc.... but none of this will help her in a Court of law. A defence solicitor is paid to get their client off and that's what they'll try their level best to do and it will not be nice for your DD. It's not a decision to be taken lightly, so my advice to her is just to think long and hard before deciding what to do. I'm not being critical, I haven't seen the evidence, just that I'm trying to explain how a Court will see it.

Jxx

rose28454

I just find it strange that OP appears to be driving this, not her daughter.[/QUOTE]

I am not driving this at all. I am just asking for advice on her behalf. I admit I am an overprotective mother but have made a New Years resolution to try to let go. Maybe I should have not started this thread at all. Do I never learn. Back to shopping problems.

Janepig

rose28454 wrote: »

I am not driving this at all. I am just asking for advice on her behalf. I admit I am an overprotective mother but have made a New Years resolution to try to let go. Maybe I should have not started this thread at all. Do I never learn. Back to shopping problems.

Ah but we're all overprotective when it comes to our children - doesn't matter if they're 24 or 44!! And especially if she's living at home with you so you're party to all she gets up to!!

Jxx

sulkisu

rose28454 wrote: »

I just find it strange that OP appears to be driving this, not her daughter.

I am not driving this at all.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for clarifying that. It wasn't clear from your posts that it was your daughter who wanted the advice, which is why I wrote 'appears' to be driving it - I (mis)read it and thought it was you who would be going to the police station and deciding if girls should be charged.

tandraig

my advice to op is - if your daughter feels she wants these girls charged -then back her up. her friends will (should) state that the other girls started the trouble inside. I find it strange though that your daughter was the only one ejected from the club. and that the bouncers apparently saw the assault and did nothing. were they licensed? door supervisors have to adhere to strict rules and it sounds to me like they didnt.
my son was embarrassed that his attackers were female but, on result of court case at least felt like justice had been done - and yes he was asked if he wanted to pursue it on interview by police. he was glad he did. so were we - otherwise those girls would have had a taste of their own medicine!
I got one of them fired from her job though - she was receptionist at local vet - and i noticed she always charged me £5 more for cats tabs than the other receptionist (this was when she was paying monthly contributions to compensation) and i asked the vets why. and told them about the assault - which obviously she hadnt! vindictive of me? yes - but they could have killed my son - for no reason. she was dam lucky she didnt meet me in dark alley!

rose28454

tandraig wrote: »

my advice to op is - if your daughter feels she wants these girls charged -then back her up. her friends will (should) state that the other girls started the trouble inside. I find it strange though that your daughter was the only one ejected from the club. and that the bouncers apparently saw the assault and did nothing. were they licensed? door supervisors have to adhere to strict rules and it sounds to me like they didnt.
my son was embarrassed that his attackers were female but, on result of court case at least felt like justice had been done - and yes he was asked if he wanted to pursue it on interview by police. he was glad he did. so were we - otherwise those girls would have had a taste of their own medicine!
I got one of them fired from her job though - she was receptionist at local vet - and i noticed she always charged me £5 more for cats tabs than the other receptionist (this was when she was paying monthly contributions to compensation) and i asked the vets why. and told them about the assault - which obviously she hadnt! vindictive of me? yes - but they could have killed my son - for no reason. she was dam lucky she didnt meet me in dark alley!

As I said previously I work for the cctv people on a voluntary basis from time to time and that club is always the site of trouble. The bounchers are notorious for ignoring trouble outside the club. Recently I worked a saturday watching the cameras and there was a young man passed out on the pavement right next to the club ( and clearly visible by them ) and we had to call the police to rescue him. Another time a young man was beaten up outside the club and they picked him up and moved him to the nearby supermarket car park so it would not reflect on them. Regardless of what happens with my daughter perhaps a letter to the police and licencing authorities might be in order.
I totally agree at what you did re your sons attackers job. I would have done exactly the same.

Janepig

rose28454 wrote: »

Regardless of what happens with my daughter perhaps a letter to the police and licencing authorities might be in order.

That sounds like a good idea. There have been afew stories in the local paper recently about pubs/clubs that have had their licences revoked and have had to close because of constant trouble, and evidence that can back what the Police might have to say about a dodgy pub or club can only help. And it might help you to feel like you've done your bit as well.

Jxx

MrsTinks

Bouncers have very little jurisdiction outside a club, and often avoid interfering with females unless there is a female bouncer about. Both Dh and I have done stints as bouncers so I have some idea of what I am talking about here... Dh only got seriously injured once - when he had to step in between 2 women fighting in the club and he got quite seriously injured as they then both turned on him... I used to operate the "go on then - we'll take it outside and deal with it just the 2 of us..." soon as they were out my club I'd simply walk behind a line of VERY big chaps meaning there was no fight for them to have. Soon as they were out the club they were NOT my problem. Things may have changed in the last 10 years I grant you but as far as we were concerned then once off the property any interference would leave us VERY open to people claiming we'd assaulted THEM so only interfered if it was on CCTV or the police were in attendance and required assistance. For one thing the clubs insurance wouldn't cover us if it was off the property...
Not saying that the door staff there are good by any means - I don't know them - but chances are that they are probably operating within the law - if you think they are not then report them.
As for the incident - is there any CCTV of the incident inside? I'd be very careful about choosing a course of action until you have seen all the evidence - if the first incident caught forexample is your daughter pushing one of them I'd think seriously about pushing the matter.
As for your DD bf - why on earth are people having a pop? She's 24! At 24 I was not only living on my own and single, but was perfectly capable of looking after myself on nights out with friends. He left her with a group of friends - in a club renowned for trouble - but she knew that, so why did she still choose to go there? She's an adult - capable of her own choices.

rose28454

MrsTine wrote: »

Bouncers have very little jurisdiction outside a club, and often avoid interfering with females unless there is a female bouncer about. Both Dh and I have done stints as bouncers so I have some idea of what I am talking about here... Dh only got seriously injured once - when he had to step in between 2 women fighting in the club and he got quite seriously injured as they then both turned on him... I used to operate the "go on then - we'll take it outside and deal with it just the 2 of us..." soon as they were out my club I'd simply walk behind a line of VERY big chaps meaning there was no fight for them to have. Soon as they were out the club they were NOT my problem. Things may have changed in the last 10 years I grant you but as far as we were concerned then once off the property any interference would leave us VERY open to people claiming we'd assaulted THEM so only interfered if it was on CCTV or the police were in attendance and required assistance. For one thing the clubs insurance wouldn't cover us if it was off the property...
Not saying that the door staff there are good by any means - I don't know them - but chances are that they are probably operating within the law - if you think they are not then report them.
As for the incident - is there any CCTV of the incident inside? I'd be very careful about choosing a course of action until you have seen all the evidence - if the first incident caught forexample is your daughter pushing one of them I'd think seriously about pushing the matter.
As for your DD bf - why on earth are people having a pop? She's 24! At 24 I was not only living on my own and single, but was perfectly capable of looking after myself on nights out with friends. He left her with a group of friends - in a club renowned for trouble - but she knew that, so why did she still choose to go there? She's an adult - capable of her own choices.

Just spoke to dd who is staying at boyfrends tonight and she was quite upset. She feels violated. Apparently what happened is my daughter and her friend are not from the town near us where these girls come from but they go out with boys from there. She has told me previously that the girls from that town dont like her group of friends. This girl hit her friend and my daughter just pushed her away. Then one of the boys with these girls hit my daughter around the head and because my dd asked what the hell he was doing his girlfriend went and reported her to the bouncers who threw her out. So it would seem they did not see much anyway and as for CCTV the police said they would ask for the tapes. As mentioned there is CCTV outside and I am going to ask the man in charge to look for me on Thursday when he is next back in. As it would be my dd on camera I presume she would be able to view the footage and so would I as I am cleared by the council to work there. We will see what happens. I always need a cause so may be getting rid of this club should be this years.

MrsTinks

I would tread carefully - as her parent you have no right to view the footage - she's an adult. It would be different if she was a minor...
Also be very careful you don't get into trouble for abusing your position there to view the tapes etc - infact I would inform them of the incident and make sure they are ok with you continuing to volunteer there... IF it goes to court it might otherwise be seen as a conflict of interest?
Just do all you can to avoid invalidating any evidence or risking your position if you wish to continue working there...