help. Xmas do... suspected of doing DRUGS!!!!!!

Anihilator

BligBlag wrote: »

That Sales Manager guy sounds like a right f*****g idiot. God I hate people like that. I would try and feel positive about the meeting you're having on Wednesday because:

1) You haven't done anything wrong.
2) You have a witness who's willing to say you weren't verbally threatening.

It sounds as though he's woken up on Friday morning thinking "Oh s**t" and has put the grievance in to save his own skin before you put in a grievance in about him.

I'd make sure your company knows how seriously you're taking this and that you're taken legal advice regarding the libel comments from him (telling everyone you're a drug addict).

Good Luck, what a shi**y thing to happen so close to Christmas.

What planet are these people on?

You forget the manager does have a witness. The other manager who approached and got told to !!!! off. I bet he will happily state the OP was threatening.

So in essence OP and his drunk pal's word against 2 senior managers who were backed by the rest of the staff at the time and were confronted by the OP rather than the other way about.

Yeah who does the probability lie with.

robredz

OP follow pinkshoes & richyvezy here and bullet point everything, then deliver it in a calm collected way. You could insinuate just how wasted the manager was also. The fact you swore at him could be put down to drink, and a natural reaction to his behaviour.

Anihilator reminds me of a colleague of mine years ago; we called him Dr Death, if someone had an ailment, something simple even a broken fingernail, he would know or know of someone who had died as a consequence. as in ingrowing toenail, ignored it, went septic, foot amputated, but too late gangrene set in & died. Look on his posts as the absolute worse case possible, then be optimistic that it won't be that bad after all. Good luck Wednesday, I'm sure most are rooting for you here.

Anihilator

robredz wrote: »

OP follow pinkshoes & richyvezy here and bullet point everything, then deliver it in a calm collected way. You could insinuate just how wasted the manager was also. The fact you swore at him could be put down to drink, and a natural reaction to his behaviour.

Anihilator reminds me of a colleague of mine years ago; we called him Dr Death, if someone had an ailment, something simple even a broken fingernail, he would know or know of someone who had died as a consequence. as in ingrowing toenail, ignored it, went septic, foot amputated, but too late gangrene set in & died. Good luck Wednesday, I'm sure most are rooting for you here.

So you are suggesting the OP state he was aggressive because he was drunk?

Yes that will work.

The OP needs to hope his own alchohol intake doesnt come into it but given people felt it necessary to ask the OP and the not the other manager to calm down and leave its quite clear who the majority of witnesses will be stating was drunk and out of control.

Kirri

robredz wrote: »

OP follow pinkshoes & richyvezy here and bullet point everything, then deliver it in a calm collected way. You could insinuate just how wasted the manager was also. The fact you swore at him could be put down to drink, and a natural reaction to his behaviour.

Anihilator reminds me of a colleague of mine years ago; we called him Dr Death, if someone had an ailment, something simple even a broken fingernail, he would know or know of someone who had died as a consequence. as in ingrowing toenail, ignored it, went septic, foot amputated, but too late gangrene set in & died. Good luck Wednesday, I'm sure most are rooting for you here.

Anihilator is the colleague none of us would want (or bother to talk to), I'm sure!

Apart from that, some interesting and useful advice, I'm sure most people would rightly be bloody annoyed to be accused when innocent. I'd be livid to be suspended on the gossip of some manager with no evidence.

Anihilator

Kirri wrote: »

Anihilator is the colleague none of us would want (or bother to talk to), I'm sure!

Apart from that, some interesting and useful advice, I'm sure most people would rightly be bloody annoyed to be accused when innocent. I'd be livid to be suspended on the gossip of some manager with no evidence.

There is evidence though. At least two managers worth compared to one person who was "wasted" and one who seems to have a reputation.

This helpful advice isnt helpful because the OP is in the !!!!.

The OP needs to prove he wasnt aggressive or violent. His own admission proves he was. Telling managers who intervene in an argument to !!!! off is aggressive. God only knows whaat he was saying to the one he was arguing with.

The time for the OP to save his job was at the night out when he should have protested his innocence and went home. Not proceeded to become aggressive and argumentative with senior management.

mizzbiz

Anihilator wrote: »

What planet are these people on?

You forget the manager does have a witness. The other manager who approached and got told to !!!! off. I bet he will happily state the OP was threatening.

So in essence OP and his drunk pal's word against 2 senior managers who were backed by the rest of the staff at the time and were confronted by the OP rather than the other way about.

Yeah who does the probability lie with.

Don't you ever have any HELPFUL advice to give people.

You always state the worst outcome of any given situation, but as most of us here know, you re always wrong. Remember the poor lady carer who was accuse of stealing from a client. According to you, she was a thief, or if she wasn't, she would be punished as one. There was no way out for her. As usual, you were wrong, as you will be in this case.

Unfortunately, OP, there are kn* bs in every walk of life. You are already suffering at the hands of one at work so I suggest you put annihilator on ignore. Just a shame you can't do the same to the a - hole that is trying to ruin your life.

In fact, annihilator sounds like he has a lot in common with him.:rolleyes:

u264047

Okay, Trolliator is now blocked. I have been busy typing a statement for the past few hours, I'm just wondering if somebody would volunteer to view a (names removed) copy of it and suggest any other editing, addition of fact, grammatical correction... obviously the legendary pinkshoes, richyvezy, Kirry, robredz and Triker are extremely welcome to have a look. (if I missed anyone I apologise- you guys have been an unbelievably theraputic presence through all of this)

BligBlag

Anihilator wrote: »

What planet are these people on?

Why don't you calm down a bit and stop posting non constructive comments? I think the OP has enough to worry about without a stranger getting heated and posting every few minutes to tell him he's doomed.

richyvezy

Anihilator wrote: »

There is evidence though. At least two managers worth compared to one person who was "wasted" and one who seems to have a reputation.

This helpful advice isnt helpful because the OP is in the !!!!.

The OP needs to prove he wasnt aggressive or violent. His own admission proves he was. Telling managers who intervene in an argument to !!!! off is aggressive. God only knows whaat he was saying to the one he was arguing with.

The time for the OP to save his job was at the night out when he should have protested his innocence and went home. Not proceeded to become aggressive and argumentative with senior management.

Why is he in the !!!! ? If he had remembered to look into his crystal ball before setting off on a works night out and saw what was to happen then I would see validity in your bizarre statements, but in our world that is not a luxury afforded to us I'm affraid

It seems your suggesting he asked for it !! He sniffed and got accused of being a druggie and according to you he's not allowed to defend himself. Manager or not it doesnn't give anyone the right to judge and condemn someone simply on the basis of a sound. The OP is a family man with a reputation he is entitled to preserve.

As you seem to get a rise out of judging people you don't even know and have never heard of the term 'innocent until proven guilty', I'll offer you the same courtesy and suggest that you are probably sat alone with your underpants around your ankles right about now.

Go and troll somewhere else

Anihilator

richyvezy wrote: »

Why is he in the !!!! ? If he had remembered to look into his crystal ball before setting off on a works night out and saw what was to happen then I would see validity in your bizarre statements, but in our world that is not a luxury afforded to us I'm affraid

It seems your suggesting he asked for it !! He sniffed and got accused of being a druggie and according to you he's not allowed to defend himself. Manager or not it doesnn't give anyone the right to judge and condemn someone simply on the basis of a sound. The OP is a family man with a reputation he is entitled to preserve.

As you seem to get a rise out of judging people you don't even know and have never heard of the term 'innocent until proven guilty', I'll offer you the same courtesy and suggest that you are probably sat alone with your underpants around your ankles right about now.

Go and troll somewhere else

No what I am suggesting is that the OP has created a situation through his past behaviour where his colleagues don't respect or particularly like or trust him. This has resulted in everyone believing the allegations. The OP then acted in an inappropiate manner and whilst they would probably struggle to dismiss on the drug use they wont struggle to dismiss on the aggressive and threatening behaviour.

Also for the OP. Getting just those who like your side of the story to read your statement won't do any good. The employer is clearly after you and I would suggest that you will want both viewpoints.

You also should note employment law isnt innocent until proven guilty to the same degree. The employer can dismiss on the balance of probability. This means from what has been posted the OP needs to prove his innocence and him and a drunk friend isnt going to overrule the word of two managers.