New Scrapage Scheme......Boilers.

Really2

beaujolais-nouveau wrote: »

The sort that kill you. :-)

Carbon Monoxide. The by product of incomplete combustion.

Anything older that combusts things will give off more CO than a newer one.

Cars, boilers anything.

Heyman_2

Really2 wrote: »

Carbon Monoxide. The by product of incomplete combustion.

Anything older that combusts things will give off more CO than a newer one.

Cars, boilers anything.

Yep - a proper CO Detector is essential especially for older boilers. Could save your life.

Really2

matbe wrote: »

Cheap plastic rubbish inside them.

I could imagine a plastic gas boiler being problematic.
Can't imagine expensive plastic being much better for a combustion chamber though.

That reminds me I must get rid of this chocolate teapot.:)

matbe

Really2 wrote: »

I could imagine a plastic gas boiler being problematic.
Can't imagine expensive plastic being much better for a combustion chamber though.

That reminds me I must get rid of this chocolate teapot.:)

You obviously know nothing about boilers do you.

I never mentioned the combustion chamber and do not have much knowledge of that myself,However for 20 years i have been wiring central heating systems and can tell you that new boilers are full of plastic parts that will fail quicker than metal ones used on previous models.

How many boilers have you seen ?

Really2

matbe wrote: »

However for 20 years i have been wiring central heating systems and can tell you that new boilers are full of plastic parts that will fail quicker than metal ones used on previous models.

Considering plastic is not bio-degradable how is plastic going to fail quicker than metal?

Perhaps you could give us some examples of plastic parts that are likely to fail as you obviously are a man in the know.

As far as I now plastic as been used around the presents of electrics for a long time due to it being non conductive.

stonethrower

I was talking to a heating engineer at work and he said the same thing that new boilers dont last that long and when they start to go most of the time its not worth fixing them. Much the same as tv's, computers, washing machines the list goes on.

Lotus-eater

I didn't really want to say, as it's anecdotal, but 4 heating engineers I have known over the last few years have said the same as well.
In general, they don't last as long, or they cost too much to fix if they do go wrong.

abaxas

Lotus-eater wrote: »

I didn't really want to say, as it's anecdotal, but 4 heating engineers I have known over the last few years have said the same as well.
In general, they don't last as long, or they cost too much to fix if they do go wrong.

Becasue they are more complex and hence more efficient and cheaper to run. Even if you have to replace every 5-10 years.

Really2

Lotus-eater wrote: »

I didn't really want to say, as it's anecdotal, but 4 heating engineers I have known over the last few years have said the same as well.
In general, they don't last as long, or they cost too much to fix if they do go wrong.

I would agree they most probably go beyond economic repair (but so do old boilers and old boilers are more likely to cause carbon monoxide poisoning)

But if they save over £200 now what will they save in 5 years time.

To me I would prefer to save £200+ in gas bills per year for 10 years and around 10 tonnes of CO2.


Anyone wanting a long life boiler should go down the multi fuel stove route but then you have the fire on in the summer to get hot water.

You are more likely to be able to get boiler built in the last 10 years fixed than one 20 years old simply because the parts may still be in production.

But this scheme is not to force anyone, personally I would not have a problem changing the boiler every 10 years if it means it is safer for my family and better for the environment.

But considering you now cant get a 25 year old boiler fixed i really cant see the problem.

It is more of a "green" scrappage scheme than the car one.

http://www.plumbingpark.co.uk/plumbing_hvac_article13540.html

Analysing the boiler related incidents, the report identifies those boilers 16 years old or more have 1.6 times the risk of being involved in a CO incident than newer boilers. "This increase in risk might be down to the fact that older boilers are more likely to be open flued appliances rather than the age of the appliance alone,” commented Dumbrell. “We understand the additional safety risk that open flued appliances pose and are campaigning for a scrappage scheme to replace these models with newer safer models,” he concluded.

The 07/08 report also identifies that privately rented households were 2.6 times more at risk than other households and that pre-1946 built homes were 1.5 times more at risk than post-1945 dwellings[. In addition, incidents involving safer condensing boilers appear for the first time in the report, however, this is largely a reflection of the rapid increase in the condensing boiler market and seem to relate to poor installation practice rather than appliance design. Two of the four reported incidents involving condensing boilers, were caused by serious flaws in the installation of the flue system.

I prefer the length of my own life than the length of the boilers

Spartacus_Mills

matbe wrote: »

Cheap plastic rubbish inside them.

Utter rubbish, all of the materials inside of a boiler are engineering grade polymers and metals and are made to rigorous safety specifications. They are also far from cheap.

But don't let the facts get in the way.