DWP Flexible new deal scheme

dmg24

Is there a reason why you will not do phone work? Most admin jobs have an element of 'phone work'.

If you have not tried a certain type of work, how do you know that you are not good at it?

donnajunkie

book12 wrote: »

By the way, how's your time at Flexible New Deal going so far? Where did you go in your placement?

i havent got as far as that yet. i am still on the thing were i see an advisor once a month at the jobcentre. when i was on the regular new deal i mainly spent time doing forestry work or working in a charity shop.

thorsoak

book12 wrote: »

I have qualifications GCSEs in Maths and English, both at grade B and C respectively. I also got qualifications higher than A-levels. Would I still do those tests on my first day of New Deal?

I am going on New Deal early next year, probably around Februrary/March time. My area hasn't implemented Flexible New Deal (FND) yet (it starts in April 2010). I know some areas started FND in April 2009 and stage 4 started in October 2009. Hopefully, I will find a job before New Deal then.

I was looking forward to the work placement bit (either in New Deal or FND), so I could get a chance to prove I could do the job, and/or get work experience/on-the-job placement. Hopefully, they could find a placement related to my career.

Are you not seeking work independently in your career? I ask, because you say you have good qualifications etc etc etc ...this is early December, and you are talking about going on a course starting February/March! Do you not think that you can find work yourself before that date?

If not, maybe you do need to review your CV/interview skills!

book12

dmg24 wrote: »

Is there a reason why you will not do phone work? Most admin jobs have an element of 'phone work'.

If you have not tried a certain type of work, how do you know that you are not good at it?

I'm not good at helping people, and not a confident speaker. If I don't know how to solve things over the phone, I panic. lol.

I guess as long as the 'phone work' is not a big part, I don't mind. I prefer data entry.

donnajunkie wrote: »

i havent got as far as that yet. i am still on the thing were i see an advisor once a month at the jobcentre. when i was on the regular new deal i mainly spent time doing forestry work or working in a charity shop.

Do you find seeing the advisor once a month at the JC useful? What kind of stuff do they do to help?

thorsoak wrote: »

Are you not seeking work independently in your career? I ask, because you say you have good qualifications etc etc etc ...this is early December, and you are talking about going on a course starting February/March! Do you not think that you can find work yourself before that date?

If not, maybe you do need to review your CV/interview skills!

I am seeking work independently in my career.

I think I could find work before that date (hopefully), as I'm willing to do any job mentioned in my Jobseekers Agreement. So far, no luck.

I guess I will review my CV. I had only one interview so far (telephone).

thorsoak

book12 wrote: »

I'm not good at helping people, and not a confident speaker. If I don't know how to solve things over the phone, I panic. lol.

I guess as long as the 'phone work' is not a big part, I don't mind. I prefer data entry.



I guess I will review my CV. I had only one interview so far (telephone).

Well - if interview training/CV writing is offered to you as part of your 13 week review, it would be extremely profitable, wouldn't it? It could help boost your confidence.

book12

thorsoak wrote: »

Well - if interview training/CV writing is offered to you as part of your 13 week review, it would be extremely profitable, wouldn't it? It could help boost your confidence.

I hope they offer that as part of my 13 week review, as I will find it useful. Hopefully, they will be as useful as the CV books/websites. Just need a second opinion from a person. I've been using CV books/websites for advice so far.

If they don't offer it, I will ask for it.

Do they do the CV writing thing 1-to-1?

Jowo_2

donnajunkie wrote: »

of course there needs to be help out there but these courses dont help. free jobsearch facilities and access to training were you can gain proper qualifications is what people need.

When some US states introduced conditions in the benefits system to mirror employment practices (full time supervised job searches or community work placements), they were not interested in providing any training or education. They cite studies which show that after huge cost in investing in skills and training for people, there was either no or low benefit in terms of them getting a better paid job (some got a few cents extra but most didn't). They do not believe that providing training results in any greater employability in the applicants.

The philosophy in the US is that people must work, take any job, and if they want qualifications and skills, this is something the individual has to arrange and invest in, not the state. Their attitude is that those who are out of work must stop being fussy and just get the type of job they can with their current skills and experiences rather than further delay their entry into the workplace.

red_devil

davebuk wrote: »

Is there anyway of getting out of this?

The providers cant offer any training to benefit me. I normally work in I.T and all they say is we will send you to a Charity Shop to do work and then Maths and English?

Could the european convention on human rights help

good post. I think they should be scrapped. Its a well known fact they dont help many people back into work. Its merely done to make it look like there are less people signing on than there are! You shouldnt be threatened with loss of benefits either if you dont attend!

The charity shop work is slave labour as well as does not get you a job!

cit_k

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

I'm not saying the system is perfect and certainly for some people it must feel like treading water, but surely it is better to do something than nothing whilst you are looking for work?

The problem is the legislators assume *all* eligible people are sitting doing nothing.
Whereas, some will be, some wont be...

Last time I was claiming unemployment benefit, when not applying for jobs, I was brushing up on my programming skills, something far, far more valuable than sitting around making paper brigdges at a4e, or a short term placement at a high street store.

When I was sent on a course (back in the days when they were useful, and not a excercise in making the rich richer, and slave labour) the time I had spent brushing up on programming landed me a nice job.

The current scheme would have ruined any chance I had of a decent career back then, and at best would have landed me in a dead end job, with no chance of getting out of it, due to not having time to keep up to date with required skills.

red_devil

The scheme does nothing you cant arrange for yourself. You can jobsearch at home or the library anyone can do courses and voluntary work.

There is a stigma to being on the programme and its only to bully you into attending one of their centres by saying no show no money!

There is nothing they can do you cant do. They are often understaffed also.