Not allowed photography at school play??

mikey72

bestpud wrote: »

We have to sign a form, annually, to have photos published on the website and/or in the local media.

We can choose to say no altogether, or if we say yes, we can choose whether to have their full name or just first name.

Interestingly, in Austria,

We have the same form. Austria also has the same European Convention on Human Rights.

puddy

mikey72 wrote: »

So there is no specific law, just the consequences of their actions by publishing the photo. It's near enough what would happen to them for any kid that they publish photos of, even up to the worst, if it could be linked to the photo being published.

no, there's no exact law. the head or CP officer needs to get permission from the SW, who in turn makes the decision based on the legal position of the case and the specific circumstances.

as i say, i dont know the exact ins and outs of how teachers or heads are disciplined or what sanctions schools have when they behaviour inappropriately.

but lets say the school doesnt bother, ublishes a photo of a child and this leads to further abuse, the consequences are probably that there will be an enquiry, the head may lose their position? CP officer demoted? probably...but i dont know

lets say the school doesnt bother asking permission about a child that is not looked after, parent complains about publication, who does the answer to the compaint? the governors? the LEA?
but if the child is open to SSD, then its not the education dept assessing the school, its the whole multi disciplinary team

ive just thought of another situtation that might be comparable. there are lots of children who may live with just one parent, who has an injuction out against the other parent, or who have fled violence. lets say the school takes a photo, publishes (where the parent has not given permission) in a newsletter and that newsletter gets into the hands of the violent parent, who then reaslises where the child goes to that school. lets say the child gets abducted, what do you think would happen to the school in that instance,,

Ruby_Moon

Paparika wrote: »

been like this for years

Unfortunately it is amazing some lengths !!!!!philes will go to get pictures of children, I know, i worked with them in the past and the training told you all about the grooming the will do.

Rubbish. Its just a myth that has been spread about that people are now latching onto.
Why would a p a e dophile go to the trouble of either 1, pretending to be a parent and go film the nativity play or 2, hitting a parent on their head as they leave school and steal the camera or 3, hack into any parents computer just to get hold of films of their kids?

Amazing some lengths that they will go to to get pictures of children? Are you crazy? They don't want any picture of kids, if they did they can get them anywhere. Outside schools at kicking out time, catalogues, play groups, even Charlie Chalks and the like. Kids are everywhere. No...they want pictures of kids with no clothes on. Even if it was swimwear they were after they have a world full of beaches to get pictures of kids.
For someone who claims to have worked with pae do philes you seem a bit clueless really.

pipkin71

PrincessPlaty wrote: »

Sorry i disagree with you there is nothing sick about it at all. If my daughter was caught in a photograph taken by another person and was then identified by her father that would put her, my other daughter and myself in extreme danger.

How is then anything sick about protecting children? Ok not everyones situation is the same as mine put as a previous poster said what about children that are 'looked after' nobody knows the circumstances of these children or what risk they could be at if they were identified.

Why is it ok to put another child at risk just for the sake of taking a few photographs of a school play?

Out of interest PrincessPlaty, is that a picture of you in your avatar?

Could someone identify you by that picture, if it is?

Ruby_Moon

PrincessPlaty wrote: »

If you read what i wrote properly the school are providing a full face mask for my daughter as part of her costume so her identity will be concealed to protect her :rolleyes:

Sorry should i stop her from doing anything that is normal just incase???

Maybe i should apologise also for trying to give my normal upbringing whilst trying to protect her from her psychopathic father :rolleyes:

You say that you don't want your daughter to stop doing normal things, thats perfectly natural, lots of parents don't want to stop taking video of their childrens nativity play. So which party wins out on that one?
Surly the videos should be allowed as that caters for the majority. If you have a problem with your daughter being recognised, then it is your problem to organised and deal with, not make everyone else have to lose out because of it.

mikey72

Ruby_Moon wrote: »

You say that you don't want your daughter to stop doing normal things, thats perfectly natural, lots of parents don't want to stop taking video of their childrens nativity play. So which party wins out on that one?
Surly the videos should be allowed as that caters for the majority. If you have a problem with your daughter being recognised, then it is your problem to organised and deal with, not make everyone else have to lose out because of it.

Thankfully we have a society that protects the weak, and the vulnerable. Mob rule never was a good option, so is your case your majority would have to respect the minority.

Zziggi

Ruby_Moon wrote: »

You say that you don't want your daughter to stop doing normal things, thats perfectly natural, lots of parents don't want to stop taking video of their childrens nativity play. So which party wins out on that one?
Surly the videos should be allowed as that caters for the majority. If you have a problem with your daughter being recognised, then it is your problem to organised and deal with, not make everyone else have to lose out because of it.

The difficult is: Say you have a school where there is just one set of parents who refuses to have their one kid photographed. The school has to decide - do they ban photography/filming and suffer the wrath of some from the majority of parents OR do they allow photography and tell the parents of that one child that they either opt-in or opt-out. The difficulty with this is that the school could be seen as trying to coerse/pressure the parents into argeeing (opt-in) or they are opening themselves up to acusations of discrimination (opt-out).

It's a tricky situation & I don't know what the answer is. The school my kids are in have banned photography this year because of one parent vehermently refusing to allow photography (she's a single parent, i have no idea if there are issues with her ex or if it is just her personal opinion). Parents say they are going to take photos anyway. I do wonder what the school can actually do if parents refuse to follow the schools "request" for no photography.

pipkin71

Lurleene wrote: »

Princessplaty - I was wondering if your avatar picture is of yourself? If so, due to your situation with your ex do you think it may be wise to change it in case he could identify you by your posts?

Lurleene

I asked the same question before I read yours.

Janepig

This nonsense about paed0philes on every street corner really does my head in. There are no more than when I was younger and was free to roam the streets (unlike my DD is now) - not that you'd think that with all the scaremongering. I agree with an earlier poster who pointed out that there may be reasons of looked after children, DPA, etc... bandied about, but the bottom line is it's bogeyman phobia that's at the root of this, and there's obviously no hard and fast legislation given that schools seem to really make it up as they go along.

To quote Paprika "the lone dad whose child has just started at your child's school....". !!!!!! give me a break. Let's ban all dads from school plays as well, just in case? In fact, you want to keep children safe from sexual abuse? Take them all off their parents then, because far and away the majority of sexual abuse is kept in the family, and always has been.

So far DD and DS's school have always allowed photo taking and video filming at concerts, and the headteacher always says before they start that filming is allowed provided parents who are filming don't get in the way of other parents. I've always made sure I'm well out of the way of anyone when I'm filming, and lets face it, I'm filming my own children. I have, on occasion, filmed other children, by request of their parents who haven't been able to make it to a concert, and they've been glad of it. DH also filmed DD's concert last year because I couldn't go. I'd have missed it otherwise.

I'm not sure how other schools work, but in DD/DS's school parents have to buy tickets. There's usually a limit of two either per child or per family (can't remember) so the school know which parents are buying tickets. Hardly an easy opportunity for your local bogeyman to pitch up at the concert.

Besides which, covert filming is fairly easily done - I know, I filmed DD going off the diving board for the first time in her swimming lesson afew weeks ago with my mobile phone. Anyone would have assumed I was just texting.

And yes, I know all about paed0philes, their methods, grooming, etc... I've been involved with them through work for 16 years.

Jxx

pipkin71

pipkin71 wrote: »

Out of interest PrincessPlaty, is that a picture of you in your avatar?

Could someone identify you by that picture, if it is?

I think this answers the question:

PrincessPlaty wrote: »

Doesnt make it right though does it? Perhaps i should change my avatar as people maybe judging me by my picture

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.html?p=27476979&postcount=140

PP, I can understand why you are protecting your children, but having your picture on a public forum, when you have given information about where you are living now, means that it wouldn't be difficult for your ex to find you - even down to your door number, so you are putting your family at risk of being found.

Please really consider removing your avatar. This is a public forum and anyone could be reading your previous posts.