Question regarding school day out.

Debt_Free_Chick

bestpud wrote: »

Now, I am normally on the side of the school when it comes to debating on here, but in this case, I can see why you are a bit miffed mspig!

How on earth can that be classed as the school giving them a treat for good behaviour etc?

Because normally they'd get nothing, other than verbal praise, which I'm sure has already been given.

What happens if a parent can't afford that much - it's actually quite a hefty amount for a couple of hours?

Then the kid doesn't go. It's also a hefty amount of private/personal time for a teacher to give, voluntarily, with no pay and not even the appreciation of the parents concerned.

And, from a different POV, I thought the beauty of this kind of 'scheme' is to reward good behaviour, of course, but also act as an incentive for others?

How can it encourage the more disruptive pupils if they don't know about it because it's not on a school day?

Don't worry - they'll know about it. Kids know everything about what their classmates got up to at the weekend.

bestpud

Gingham_Ribbon wrote: »

OR perhaps the teacher is doing it out of the goodness of his heart, wanted to tell them it was a reward because they've been good kids and they deserve it, but the school budget doesn't/can't run to extras that teachers decide to do themselves and he certainly can't be expected to fund it himself.

It's simple. If people don't want to pay for it, they shouldn't send their children. If they do, then that's great.

It's out of school hours so it's almost certainly just the teacher doing a bit extra for the kids. I bet if he read this thread he'd wish he hadn't bothered.

Perhaps he could have contacted the parents and asked what they thought then?

It's hardly an incentive for those from families who can't afford it, is it? Does lack of money mean they don't deserve the same reward as their peers?

bestpud

Debt_Free_Chick wrote: »

Because normally they'd get nothing, other than verbal praise, which I'm sure has already been given.



Then the kid doesn't go. It's also a hefty amount of private/personal time for a teacher to give, voluntarily, with no pay and not even the appreciation of the parents concerned.



Don't worry - they'll know about it. Kids know everything about what their classmates got up to at the weekend.

So, as I said, the children all deserve a reward, but the ones from poorer families have to make do with the verbal praise?

bestpud

Debt_Free_Chick wrote: »

To be honest, I wished he/she hadn't bothered. We get what we deserve ......

Yeah, let's hope there aren't any children left out because their parents don't have the cash!

Will those children be getting what they deserve?

Debt_Free_Chick

bestpud wrote: »

So, as I said, the children all deserve a reward, but the ones from poorer families have to make do with the verbal praise?

Or the glass is half full version .....


Those kids that do well get praised for it




It's always been the case that kids with parents who can afford it "get more". It's just life.

Jojo_the_Tightfisted

You could have had the staff at my DD1's secondary school. The head got a massive bonus for 'turning it around in a year' - ie, the gifted and talented kids were made to repeat the stuff they had already done the previous year, just so they could influence the KS4 SATS (having already taken them early once).

When asked what she was doing to recognise the extraordinary efforts and achievements these kids had done (and in dealing with threats, intimidation, violence and all the usual things directed at academic kids stuck in a bear pit), her answer was;

ALL our kids are great. To make something out of these privileged (what? at this school?) children would be unfair on the others, as they found this easy when others have to work at it.

She took her bonus and was gone by the middle of the following year to a better paid academy job.

Pay or don't pay. At least he had a sniff of being appreciated, even if it got shot down in flames immediately by complaints about having to pay for it.

tandraig

correct me if I am wrong - but didnt OP say that this was a reward from the school - not an individual teacher? so why is this thread degenerating into an argument about how good an individual teacher is for giving up his/her time?

It isnt about that! its about the way a school rewards good class behaviour - if the class has behaved well then THAT WHOLE class deserves the reward - not just the ones who's parents can afford it!!! the teacher is immaterial. and to be honest - must be a bit thick if he/she thinks this is a reward for whole class!
if my teacher had suggested laserquest or something similar - would rather stick pins in my eyes!
if i was mspig i would phone the school and ask exactly how the reward system works in that school - or has the form teacher gone out on a limb and dreamed this up themselves?

bestpud

Debt_Free_Chick wrote: »

Or the glass is half full version .....


Those kids that do well get praised for it




It's always been the case that kids with parents who can afford it "get more". It's just life.

Those kids who do well get to have a treat [if mum and dad can afford it]. :rolleyes:

Sorry, but money should not come into it!

Some trips are voluntary and if a child can't go they can't go - it's that simple.

But rewards, when handed out within the state education system, should not depend on parental wealth!!

Are you really saying it's just life that one child is told 'well done, we'll have a fab time Saturday', while another is told 'well done but sorry you don't get to come with us because your dad has just lost his job'?

You surely aren't suggesting that is ok?

Debt_Free_Chick

bestpud wrote: »

Yeah, let's hope there aren't any children left out because their parents don't have the cash!

Will those children be getting what they deserve?

Yes, they're getting an education which is what is being funded.

And it seems that they have a dedicated teacher who is going the extra mile.

If their parents can't afford it, then that's just the way it is. Where do you draw the line? Some kids get extravagant holidays - don't all kids deserve that? Some kids get Wii, PS, iphones, ipods, laptops etc etc .....

There will always be divides between the rich and not so rich. But let's keep some perspective here. This is an optional reward, arranged by a dedicated teacher. The type of person who would probably pay, personally, if they could. They can't. The school can't. The parents are being asked - not forced - to participate, financially. What is so wrong with that?

Debt_Free_Chick

bestpud wrote: »

But rewards, when handed out within the state education system, should not depend on parental wealth!!

I think that's the point.

From what we know, it doesn't seem as though this is being handed out within the State education system.

It's "outwith" the system, therefore self-financing for those that can afford it. It's no different to the optional ski-ing holiday. Those kids with parents who can afford it get to go.