Public Sector workers laughing all the way to the bank

darich

The_White_Horse wrote: »

that is why it is almost perfect, and not perfect.

3 mistakes in 4 lines is hardly "almost perfect"
A mistake in 75% of the lines you write?

vivatifosi

nic_santorini wrote: »

oh someone is grumpy, the police can't go on strike and had their paydeal agreed last year and next year it will be frozen, as for the black hole in pensions who else pays 11% of their wages into a pension - not many people. police numbers are being cut, workloads are being doubled, so life is not all rosy but yes we r lucky to still have employment.

For me the big issue is retirement age. You can't compare 11% contributions to lower contributions for other public sector workers who are retiring 10 years later. I'm a pension fund trustee and it is hugely more expensive to provide a pension for someone who is retiring at 55 than for someone retiring at 65. I'm not suggesting that police should work until 65, but there are very good reasons why the pension contributions are high. FWIW I think the police pension is a pretty good deal for those who will be able to claim it.

Old_Slaphead

nic_santorini wrote: »

oh someone is grumpy, the police can't go on strike and had their paydeal agreed last year and next year it will be frozen, as for the black hole in pensions who else pays 11% of their wages into a pension - not many people. police numbers are being cut, workloads are being doubled, so life is not all rosy but yes we r lucky to still have employment.

Even Labour's own rag is appearing to intimate that at over £1million to fund the average bobby's pension,

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/22/police-pension-funding-shortfall

there are questions about the long term viability of public pensions.

Eric_Pisch

kabayiri wrote: »

You are indeed correct Old S.

However, to cut Carol some slack the concept of percentage is abused weekly on X factor.

I'm tired of hearing about people giving 150%. If you give 100% of your effort you are doing all you can!

depends, it could be based on what the avg performance is or even the expected performance not necisarily the maximum individual performance

if your job requires 40 hours a week and you consistently do 44 you are giving it 110%

movingforward2010

macaque wrote: »

username2003

You have asked for the evidence and then ranted in the same post.

School playgrounds have been sold off. Class sizes are getting bigger. Universities and employers increasingly having retrain school leavers in basic skills. Police stations and police in the community have declined rapidly in recent years. Bin collections are now only every fortnight. Public WCs have almost dissapeared. Traffic wardens are no longer public servants but profit centres. UK public transport has become one of the most expensive in the world. Local council officials now force their way into peoples houses. Road verges are littered with millions of signs as the roads themselves fall apart. Unfinished road works are everywhere.



See below

Chief Executive, BOLTON AT HOME, Circa £125,000
Director of Community & Children's Services, Circa £120K
Group Director of Housing and Customer Services, Hampshire, up to £105,000 package
Chief Executive, Poole, Dorset, £140k package
Children’s participation and targeted support manager Kensington, £31,900 - 43,100 plus PRP
Health and Safety Manager £250 per day - Negotiable
Contract Monitoring and Development Manager, HACKNEY, £42,258 - £44,910
Head of Family Wellbeing Service, Twickenham, £46,050 - £48,876 pa
Principal Practitioner – Continuous Improvement Lean Specialist, £44,947 to £55,391 per annum
Community Safety Officer, £20.49 PAYE/£24.59 Umbrella
Travel Buddy Co-ordinator, HOUNSLOW,£29,601 - £31,761
Management Plan Co-Ordinator HADRIANS WALL HERITAGE, c £34K
Project Delivery Manager,BUSINESSLINK.GOV.UK, London, £55000 - £70000 per annum
Membership and Stakeholder Co-ordinator, Up to £28k
DIRECTOR OF SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT IN GOVERNMENT, £57,936 - £68,990
Project Manager, Financial Inclusion Derbyshire, RURAL ACTION DERBYSHIRE, £32,000 pa
Head of Performance, BARNET, £44,262 - £46,692 pa inc
Head of Service Delivery, Poplar, London, Circa £45,000 per annum inclusive
Safeguarding Development Officer, HALTON, £28,636 - £30,851 p.a
Conference and Reviewing Manager, HALTON, £35,430 - £38,042 p.a
Practice Manager- Adoption and Permanence, EAST SUSSEX, £39,711- £43,401 pa
Performance and Information Manager, CAMBRIDGESHIRE, £31,433 - £42,583
Senior Personal Assistant - Executive Director, NEWHAM, £29,601-33,510 pa inc
Service Manager for Safeguarding & Quality Assurance, LUTON BC, £46,295 - £48,950 pa, Children's Rights Officer (Safeguarding & Standards), DONCASTER, Up to £34,549 pa
Independent Reviewing Officer (Safeguarding & Standards), DONCASTER, Up to £40,741 pa
Head of Change, WORCESTERSHIRE, £75,267 - £83,388
Lean Practitioner, HARROW, To £42,000 pa plus benefits
Service Manager, BARNET, £51,381 - £55,071 pa inc
Assistant Director - Children's Trust & Performance, MIDDLESBROUGH. Salary to £70-£75k
Independent Chair - Child Protection, BRACKNELL FOREST BC, £41,200 - £43,900 pa
Strategic Development and Commissioning Manager YORKSHIRE CC, SM2 - up to £58,490
Head of Children's Safeguarding, £52,073 - £60,921
Senior Resettlement Officer, CROYDON, £33,177 - £38,574 pa
Head of Family Placement Services, MANCHESTER CC, £46,263-£49,413
Principal Manager, Children's Residential Service, MANCHESTER CC, £39,855-£41,616
Deputy District Manager, MANCHESTER CC, £42,840-£45,765
District Managers MANCHESTER CC, £58,494
Service Lead for Safeguarding, MANCHESTER CC, £57,078
Head of District Provision, MANCHESTER CC, £65,000
Transport Strategy Director, Manchester, Circa £90,000 plus final salary...
Safeguarding Children Manager (Partnerships), NOTTINGHAMSHIRE, To £39,855
Safeguarding Children Board Development Manager, NOTTINGHAMSHIRE CC, To £39,855 Programme / Project Manager (Business Support Carbon Reduction, Energy Efficiency), £42,246 to £50,373
Bury Accessible Natural Greenspace Officer, BURY MBC, £21,519 - £24,646 per annum
Programme Director - Building Schools for the Future, NORFOLK, Up to £90k
Environmental Health Manager, HACKNEY, £48,501 - £51,381
Senior Project Manager Skills Development, LDA, £48,935
Children’s Services Senior Quality Assurance and Improvement Adviser £40,741 - £44,352 p.a. plus...
Senior Research Advisor – Assessment, Coventry, c£55,800 + attractive benefits
Manager – Business & Programme Management, Coventry, c£47,000+ attractive benefits
Programme Support Manager, Coventry, c£34,400 + attractive benefits
Development Managers – Policy & Implementation, Coventry, c£34,400+ attractive benefits
Internal Consultants, Coventry, c£38,500+ attractive benefits
Manager, Coventry, c£47,000+ attractive benefits
Research Manager, Coventry, c£38,500 + attractive benefits
Qualifications Development Manager, Coventry, c£39,800 + attractive benefits
Programme & Portfolio Manager, Coventry, c£55,800 + attractive benefits
Assistant Head of Executive and Committee Services, WANDSWORTH, £49,551 to £52,548
Project Manager, HACKNEY, £46,701 - £49,452
Principle Project Manager x 2, HACKNEY, £52,335 - £55,206
Service Development and Performance Manager, HACKNEY, £42,258 - £44,910
Head of Access and Options, HACKNEY, £ - £
Head of Change, WORCESTERSHIRE CC, £75,267 - £83,388 per annum
Financial Inclusion Manager, London, £33,150 - £39,000
Neighbourhood Investment Managers, London, £33,150 - £39,000
Neighbourhood Investment Managers, Cheshire, £31,025 - £36,500
Programme and Partnership Manager, Cheshire, £33,150 - £39,000
Director of Research and Evaluation, £55000 - £65000 per annum
Step Forward Engagement Officer, Birmingham, £18 - £22 per annum
Decentralised Energy Project Manager, ISLINGTON COUNCIL,£38,283 - £40,966 pa fixed-term to...
Strategic Director (Community Engagement), CARLISLE, Salary up to £78,000 including car...
Smarter Travel Richmond Programme Manager, RICHMOND, £52,704 - £55,572
Partnership Director, COVENTRY, £43,128 - £46,276
Electoral Services Manager, ST ALBANS, Up to £35,980 inc. pa + £5,000...
Senior Performance Officer, CAMDEN, £37,851 - £40,506
Research & Evaluation Analysts - Children's Services,£15 - £16 per hour
Advisors & Employability Consultants, London, Midlands and Scotland, £26,000 - £31,500
Community Outreach Co-ordinator, HOUNSLOW, £28,800 - £30,390 pa. Incl
Influencing Manager, Central London, £36,000 - £40,000
Deputy Team Managers, WALTHAM FOREST, PO5/6: £38,961 - £43,368
Head of Overview and Scrutiny, NEWHAM, £47,247 - £57,741 pa inc.
Senior Partnership Development Officer - Regional Officer, YORK, £27,068 - £31,448 pa
Policy and Projects Officer, EALING, £44,403 - £46,191 pa inclusive
Settings Support Team Manager, CROYDON, £41,610 -...
Head of Schools Asset Support Team, SOLIHULL MBC, £54,475 - £67,431 pa
Cultural Strategy Officer, CROYDON, £34,542 - £36,306
Regulatory Project Manager, London, £45,500 - £64,000
Category Manager - Care & People Services,£50,000 - £52,000
Director of Sheffield First Partnership Up to £81,645, SHEFFIELD CC, Up to £81,645
Deputy Team Manager, MILTON KEYNES, £37,206 to £42,786 p.a. + £2,000...
Assistant Director, NORTH LINCOLNSHIRE COUNCIL, Up to £73,500
Research and Performance Officer, HOUNSLOW, £29,601 - £31,761 pa incl
Public Relations and Consultation Manager, REDCAR, £61,973 - £64,487
Head of Locality Services, HEREFORDSHIRE, £55,000 + Benefits
Community Safety & Licensing Manager, NEW FOREST DC, £36,733 - £42,972 per annum plus...
Employee Relations Manager, WANDSWORTH, £43,152 - £45,807 (PO6)
Principal Constitutional Services Officer, STEVENAGE. £31,754 - £35,430 p.a. plus...
Head of Evaluation and Analysis (maternity cover),£33k
Community Safety Officers - UK, COMMUNITY SAFETY SKILLS, £15 - £20 PH
Neighbourhood Officers - UK, COMMUNITY SAFETY SKILLS, up to £15 per hour Approx
Head of Training Design, Corporate Services, £53,360 - £65,440
Head of Asset Management, BEDFORDSHIRE, £47,687 - £52,023 pa
Head of Asset Management, BEDFORDSHIRE, £47,687 - £52,023 pa
Performance & Information Officer - Social Care & Partnerships, WINDSOR, £31,795 - £35,255 pa
Public Relations and Consultation Manager, REDCAR & CLEVELAND BC, £61,973 - £64,487
Chair,£40,000 per annum (6 days per month)
Senior Head of Tourism and Leisure, EASTBOURNE BC, Up to £65,500 p.a. plus car...
Senior Director - Schools & Lifelong Learning, ROTHERHAM MBC, Up to £82,000 pa
Director - Safeguarding & Corporate Parenting, ROTHERHAM MBC, Up to £80,000 pa
Safeguarding Manager, BEDFORDSHIRE, £39,855 - £43,351
Head of Learning Disabilities/Mental Health, BEDFORDSHIRE, £57,803 - £62,139
Head of Older People & Physical Disabilities, BEDFORDSHIRE, £57,803 - £62,139
Project Manager – Service Review, GLOUCESTERSHIRE, £45,243 - £49,728 per annum
Children's Centre Extended Services Managers, BRENT, Up to £39,855 p.a. inc. + £1,740 LW
Safeguarding Adults Manager, SANDWELL, £42,505 - £45,220
Project Development Manager (Economic Development – Enterprise), SOUTHWARK, £35,739 - £41,841
Street Scene Enforcement Officer-East London, £18-20 per hour
Smoke free and Workplace Health Coordinator –London, £34,500
Community Neighbourhood Manager, ST ALBANS CITY AND DISTRICT, Up to £35,985 pa inc. + Car Option
Health, Safety & Security Manager-West London,£35-45,000

you forgot to add these very highly paid front line jobs



Administrative Assistant JCP

Salary
£13110 - £14420

Administrative Officer JCP (aka the ones that do all the processing at HMRC, Jobcentre, DVLA, plus they are the ones that get verbally and physically abused, spat at, and stabbed in some cases as front line jobcentre staff)
Salary
£ 15258 - £17800

very attractive salary (most aren't even on £17k try the the lower end! )

idiot!

Old_Slaphead

wxmlad wrote: »

Administrative Officer JCP (aka the ones that do all the processing at HMRC, Jobcentre, DVLA, plus they are the ones that get verbally and physically abused, spat at, and stabbed in some cases as front line jobcentre staff)
Salary
£ 15258 - £17800

very attractive salary (most aren't even on £17k try the the lower end! )

idiot!

Seems decent enough salary (unless you work in a big city like London).

Add of another 20% for the pension = £20,000pa

No-one working in the offices of my manufacturing company doing a similar clerical job is getting paid that (most are on £14,000-£16,000 no pension). Try looking in recruitment agency shop windows....not that many non-specialist clerical jobs are offering £20k+

nb my experience of working in civil service was that as soon as a 'customer' turns nasty you immediately call for the manager to deal with.

Anyway, no-one's quibbling about the lower paid staff - it's the middle/senior management gravytrain that needs sharply cutting back.

tek-monkey

Why add 20% for the pension?

Old_Slaphead

tek-monkey wrote: »

Why add 20% for the pension?

Because that's the effective employer contribution and a FS pension is part of the total remuneration package. Unions tell us that pensions are really simply deferred pay.

Harry_Powell

vivatifosi wrote: »

For me the big issue is retirement age. You can't compare 11% contributions to lower contributions for other public sector workers who are retiring 10 years later. I'm a pension fund trustee and it is hugely more expensive to provide a pension for someone who is retiring at 55 than for someone retiring at 65. I'm not suggesting that police should work until 65, but there are very good reasons why the pension contributions are high. FWIW I think the police pension is a pretty good deal for those who will be able to claim it.

Why not?

All we hear these days is that the police are snowed under with paperwork, perhaps there is a case that experienced officers over 55 could take on this mountain of paperwork, releasing the younger officers to do the leg work.

Old_Slaphead

I understand that my local authority (and many more) actually payout more on police pensions that they do paying the wages of the current force.