The harsh truth about Tory policies

LizEstelle

leveller2911 wrote: »

The difference is Liz those "middleclass,gentlefolk ,usually self employed " as you call them may or may not do what you suggest, but theyve worked hard to earn the money, dole scrounging,chancers have not and thats a big f***ing difference........

Oh by the way,im self employed,working class and rent...:rolleyes: whats your problem with self employed people Liz????

No problem, Leveller. It's just that the self-employed have most opportunity to rip off the system and underreport their income. We all know the black economy dwarfs any 'benefits scrounging' by a few orders of magnitude.

The politicians, of course, know that [STRIKE]Sun readers[/STRIKE] tory voters are easily pandered to by bashing those on benefits and so we have 'hotlines' pasted over publicity hoardings for reporting your neighbour on invalidity benefit... while we have nothing for grassing on your boss who's fiddling the system to 5 times the extent...

leveller2911

LizEstelle wrote: »

No problem, Leveller. It's just that the self-employed have most opportunity to rip off the system and underreport their income. We all know the black economy dwarfs any 'benefits scrounging' by a few orders of magnitude.

The politicians, of course, know that [STRIKE]Sun readers[/STRIKE] tory voters are easily pandered to by bashing those on benefits and so we have 'hotlines' pasted over publicity hoardings for reporting your neighbour on invalidity benefit... while we have nothing for grassing on your boss who's fiddling the system to 5 times the extent...

Can you show evidence of this?

So employed people say working for the NHS and spend weeks off on sick leave on full pay for stress is fine and above board..You will always get chancers in life, my point is the work-shy dole scroungers who have been unemployed for years are scum ,they pay NOTHING into the system at all at least someone who is employed or self employed and does a cash job or puts an extra £20 on their expenses forms are working and contributing to the system.

A good example is the WFTC system, all it does is encourage employers to pay the minimum wage because the good old tax payer will stump up the rest and also its doesnt encourage people to better themselves and earm more or work harder.

All it does is enforces people reliance on state hand-outs .Given the fact that benefits out are now more than our entire income tax in ,we will need to cut benefits.....Personally im in favour of everyone being self employed as I might make them think twice about taking easy days off sick,especially in the NHS,civil service etc..


It was under a Tory government that un-married mums were given council housing , its been under a Labour government for the last 11 years this has been allowed to continue ,nothing short of shocking and shame on them all......I have "grassed" up a dole scrounger 3 times in the last 12 months, to this day nothing has happend so I would take much notice of your final comment, all fluff and no substance.

We are all lucky if we don't need the states help at some point in our lives, its the long term shirkers and chancers who are the scum and not genuine recipients

LizEstelle

leveller2911 wrote: »

So employed people say working for the NHS and spend weeks off on sick leave on full pay for stress is fine and above board..You will always get chancers in life, my point is the work-shy dole scroungers who have been unemployed for years are scum ,they pay NOTHING into the system at all at least someone who is employed or self employed and does a cash job or puts an extra £20 on their expenses forms are working and contributing to the system.

A good example is the WFTC system, all it does is encourage employers to pay the minimum wage because the good old tax payer will stump up the rest and also its doesnt encourage people to better themselves and earm more or work harder.

All it does is enforces people reliance on state hand-outs .Given the fact that benefits out are now more than our entire income tax in we will need to cut benefits.....Personally im in favour of everyone being self employed as I might make them think twice about taking easy days off sick,especially in the NHS,civil service etc..


It was under a Tory government that un-married mums were given council housing , its been under a Labour government for the last 11 years this has been allowed to continue ,nothing short of shocking and shame on them all......

Make no mistake, I have no love of idle criminals.

I just don't think diligent criminals should get away with it, either.

They're both criminals.

If you do, you're just showing one of two things: either how easily you're swayed by the likes of the Murdoch 'press' or the true colours of an innate, political bias.

Of course, I'm too polite and ladylike to mention the third possibility, which is a lack of ability to understand the whole picture.

lostinrates

This is a good long thread. There seems to be a lot of yuck on the board ATM so can some one just tell me if its worth a read from the beginning (regardles of agreeing with the argument put forwards ) or if its a wade through muck and bickering?

wageslave

We can argue from our respective political corners until the cows come home but the facts remain the same.

Great Britain PLC is effectively bust and if we dont take some drastic measures soon the bailiffs will be round.

Like any business or household we need to balance our outgoings with our income and hopefully salt a few quid away against a time of need.

Economics isn't rocket science and the fact that we are dealing with a country rather than my monthly wage doesn't really change the fundamentals.

Money in has got to equal money out.

Selling off half your garden to your next door neighbour or cashing in your premium bonds isn't really a long term solution if you are continually spending more than you earn.

Does anyone really believe either of the two main parties will make the harsh decisions necessary to save us all from years of crushing debt?

No matter who wins the next election they will only make cosmetic changes. Not one politician amongst them has the courage to tackle our problems in an effective way.

They will literally fiddle while our childrens future burns.

nearlynew

lostinrates wrote: »

This is a good long thread. There seems to be a lot of yuck on the board ATM so can some one just tell me if its worth a read from the beginning (regardles of agreeing with the argument put forwards ) or if its a wade through muck and bickering?

Save yourself time and just read posts #10 and #48

leveller2911

LizEstelle wrote: »

Make no mistake, I have no love of idle criminals.

I just don't think diligent criminals should get away with it, either.

They're both criminals.

If you do, you're just showing one of two things: either how easily you're swayed by the likes of the Murdoch 'press' or the true colours of an innate, political bias.

Of course, I'm too polite and ladylike to mention the third possibility, which is a lack of ability to understand the whole picture.

I don't read the papers Liz, But please don't suggest I don't understand the whole picture.

I think I have a good understanding in fact.It seems that just because I don't agree with you Im either a tory or im thick.......

very strange way of thinking, kinda makes me think your work for Labour party head office........

Although I don't agree with your view I respect it and wouldn't lower myself to personal abuse or namecalling ,no matter
how its disguised.......

kabayiri

LizEstelle wrote: »

No problem, Leveller. It's just that the self-employed have most opportunity to rip off the system and underreport their income. We all know the black economy dwarfs any 'benefits scrounging' by a few orders of magnitude.

This is an out of date view.

Check this governments record on taxation changes to 'personal service companies'. You will see how people, including myself, have complied with Labour regulation, paying more tax now than those who are in direct employment [when you factor in training, sick pay and other benefits].

It's rather easy to make misguided statements. This forum attracts a better quality of statistic though.

Geoffo_M

the_ash_and_the_oak wrote: »

should increase the penalties for speeding imo

Good idea - I agree. They should also increase the number of penalty points so we can get these dangerous sods off our roads

Geoffo_M

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

According to Police statistics, excessive speed is a contributing factor in less than 5% of all accidents.

Surely you don't expect anyone to believe this rubbish. Link please?