Appealing an increased parking fine...

Stakkertoo

Okay, here we go.
The images for all documents and photos are below.
The first tickets given on Chiswick Common Road are below, I have also provided a pic of the parking space and also a snap of the signage.
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/CCRPhoto.jpg
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/CCRSign.jpg
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Ticket1.jpg
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Ticket2.jpg

The Second set of tickets given on Linden Gardens are below, I have also provided a pic of the parking space and also a picture of the signage.
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/LGPhoto.jpg
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/LGSign.jpg
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Ticket3.jpg
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Ticket4.jpg
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Ticket5.jpg

This is the back of tickets:
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/BackOfTickets.jpg

The following is the release form, leaflet and appeal info from the Towing.
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Towing1.jpg
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Towing2.jpg
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Towing3.jpg
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Towing4.jpg
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Towing5.jpg
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Towing6.jpg
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Towing7.jpg
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Towing8.jpg

Here is a copy of the appeal form.
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Leaflet1.jpg
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Leaflet2.jpg
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Leaflet3.jpg
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Leaflet4.jpg

Finally here is the letter my girlfriend wrote to the council:
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Letters1.jpg

Here are the letters from the council in reply.
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Letters2.jpg
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Letters3.jpg
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Letters4.jpg
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Letters5.jpg
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Letters6.jpg
.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Letters7.jpg

If there is anymore info replied please let me know, after reading your replies we are fully on board and really want to chase this up!

Stakkertoo

Hello! Do i need to post anything else?

Coupon-mad

Hiya,
As you've paid, you have nothing to lose so you may as well appeal the whole lot IMHO. Why wouldn't you? Glad to see you've come around to that way of thinking!

Some good info in the above posts, it will take people a while to have a look and many people would not have even logged on yet since you posted! You will need to be patient and if not much response here this week then do copy & paste the whole lot over to a new thread on pepipoo (again you'd have to wait a day or two for the busiest people's responses to come in...). Here's a link to the right pepipoo area:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showforum=30

I am only going by what I have read on here and pepipoo but will just throw in a few comments which I hope are helpful and have bumped the thread higher anyway (I'm a newbie on this subject so Neil et al please correct me if I am wrong on these initial points):

- It looks as if there are double white lines on the end of the bay in one of the pics? But it's not a current photo, it's Google Street View isn't it? I think this may make the bay hybrid/unenforceable if it's not divided into separate parking spaces (individual bays). You'd be advised to check all the end lines where she parked & take up to date pics. Is it one long bay without dividing lines, and are the termination lines double (Google Street View can be out of date)?

- It also looks to me that 2 of the tickets were issued within 24 hours of each other for the same contravention, (26th and 27th October)? Did she move her car at all in the meantime?

- The contravention on the PCNs is shown as 12 (i.e. not clearly displaying a ticket) which is for when there's no ticket on display. But you said she had a permit but it had expired? When did it expire, was it expired before the first ticket? And was the (expired) permit always on display on the dashboard? If so then 12 would be the 'wrong contravention' IMHO (and a costlier one I think).

- One of the tickets (the second one) has a different contravention, it says 'parking in a suspended bay'. Was she aware of any suspended bay signs? Maybe for some workmen or someone moving house on the Friday 23rd? Suspended bay signs are often illegal ...just a thought, someone with more experience can probably add info.

HTH, I am sure there will be more info added soon by other posters. In the meantime here are all the full links to make things easier for people:


The first tickets given on Chiswick Common Road are below... inc a pic of the parking space and also a snap of the signage.

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/CCRPhoto.jpg

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/CCRSign.jpg

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Ticket1.jpg

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Ticket2.jpg


The Second set of tickets given on Linden Gardens are below...inc a pic of the parking space and also a picture of the signage.

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/LGPhoto.jpg

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/LGSign.jpg

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Ticket3.jpg

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Ticket4.jpg

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Ticket5.jpg


This is the back of tickets:

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/BackOfTickets.jpg


The following is the release form, leaflet and appeal info from the Towing.

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Towing1.jpg

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Towing2.jpg

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Towing3.jpg

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Towing4.jpg

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Towing5.jpg

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Towing6.jpg

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Towing7.jpg

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Towing8.jpg


Here is a copy of the appeal form.

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Leaflet1.jpg

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Leaflet2.jpg

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Leaflet3.jpg

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Leaflet4.jpg



Finally here is the letter to the council:

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Letters1.jpg


Here are the letters from the council in reply.

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Letters2.jpg

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Letters3.jpg

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Letters4.jpg

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Letters5.jpg

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Letters6.jpg

http://the70sfoundation.com/Parking/Letters7.jpg


HTH

Coupon-mad

I dunno about anyone else but I do think you/OH may have shot yourselves in the foot (with one of your tickets) with your appeal letter. :eek:

It says you take 'full responsibility' for one of the tickets and will 'not be appealing that one'. Oooops, not sure that will help you but as we've said before, you've nothing to lose now so I reckon appeal ALL of them anyway -after taking further advice on here and pepipoo.

While you are waiting for responses on here to your case, you could read other towing appeal cases on the pepipoo forum link I gave you above. That may help you work out some wording for your appeal and learn about the process that follows.

Stakkertoo

I thought that, but I shouldn't think a change of tack would be that much of a problem, seeing as they are being unreasonable about it?

Neil_B

Not a bad effort but a great deal still missing.

You don't need to show 'identical' documents -- just say they are and give appropriate dates.

From a brief look at a couple of images, backs of PCNs are missing as are further pages of rejections.

Not checked the appeal docs yet but make sure ALL of one is there too please.

No idea of timescale involved with some dates blanked I think.

Stakkertoo

Neil_B wrote: »

Not a bad effort but a great deal still missing.

You don't need to show 'identical' documents -- just say they are and give appropriate dates.

From a brief look at a couple of images, backs of PCNs are missing as are further pages of rejections.

Not checked the appeal docs yet but make sure ALL of one is there too please.

No idea of timescale involved with some dates blanked I think.

The backs of the tickets are identical, so I only posted one. Will look into the other documents.

sorry about the delay...hoping to finally get photos of the bays today.

Stakkertoo

Here are the pictures of the Chiswick Common road

.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/CCRBay.jpg

.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/CCRBay2.jpg

...and the Linden Gardens Bay.

.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/LGBay.jpg

.the70sfoundation.com/Parking/LGBay2.jpg

DrScotsman

Would you mind editing your post and replacing the photos with links to the photos? It stretches the page WAY too much.

I'm not an expert so wait until someone else confirms what I'm about to say, but I thought I'd post since no one else has.

In third photo, the bay is terminated with a double white line when it should be terminated with a single line.

"Business and resident permit holders" is not a permitted variant of 660.3

Stakkertoo

Thanks to everyone who took time to give advice. We ended up getting the verdict back and the court awarded all fines to be refunded.

Thanks again!