Dog breed suggestions

suki1964

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

Totally agree lostinrates - and some very good points too - it is a complex problem with no fast fixes, but I do think there is some mileage in licensing or compulsory microchipping - however, nothing will be fail safe. (As a kid, I used to love queueing in the post office with my hard saved £1.50 or whatever it was back then, to buy my dog license!)

And of course it is not a pedigree vs rescue question, or even a rescue vs breeder question - many pedigrees can be found via rescue, just as many breeders are now producing mongrels (or "designer" crossbreeds!!)

I agree with you that for someone in circumstances like the OP's an adult dog with a nice temprement would probably be a much easier addition to the family.

Does this mean you finally understand what it is we mean when we talk about 5 generation pedigrees versus pedigree? Breed clubs versus KC? Getting out there and finding a breeder instead of looking at websites and small adds? DO you now have some understanding in what we are talking about when we talk about reputable breeders?

elfen

Have always had rescue dogs ; it's the way my family are. Parents brought up with dogs, and we were too, they wanted to show us that you don't need to go for pedigree to get a good dog. All the rescues we had have been adults dogs with some flaws admittedly (usually with walks and pulling) but my mum happens to be very good with animals and has usually managed to find a way round. One of the dogs she's had has been a puppy farm reject; she was farmed as she was a near pure breed GSD. AShe never had a puppyhood, so she did it in later life

I know when I am able to get a dog, I'll go through the rescue centres, be they pedigree or charity. It doesn't matter, as long as the dog gets a good home and a second chance

lostinrates

elfen wrote: »

I know when I am able to get a dog, I'll go through the rescue centres, be they pedigree or charity. It doesn't matter, as long as the dog gets a good home and a second chance

And hopefully one for whom your family is right for its genetic inheritance: its workabl round, but its easier for all concerned if the fit is good.

I'm going rescue next time too either one of a choice of breeds or a lurcher, then pedigree again, another different breed. If we get a lurcher it will be my first cross breed, but we have had rescues from the breed club before. I'm passionately behind good breeding, and pedigree dogs but I like to give something back to less lucky too: a good home is something I can offer dogs let down my breeders not as good as the ones I am lucky to know.

mrcol1000

suki1964 wrote: »

Time and time again I( and others) give people who come to this board asking for advice on how to get a puppy the information on how to go about finding a good respectable responsible breeder, and every time the rescue brigade turn it into a rescue debate - not that the OPS ever asked that question. Why they can not just say - "Have you thought about a rescue?" and move on is beyond me.

Whilst we have rescues we will always have an over population of dogs - they go hand in hand. Puppy farmers continue to breed and pass on what they cant sell to rescues to sort out. If they had to deal with their
unwanted pups themselves, how many would still be breeding?

When people do suggest that people looking to buy from a breeder should try a rescue they get beaten down and jumped on by certain posters who seem to think they have to defend the rights of people to buy from breeders from the terrible people who suggest instead of encouraging people to breed more dogs maybe we should find a home for the homeless dogs before we start breeding any more.

As for the rescues encouraging over population of dogs what exactly do you suggest? We close all the rescues and any dog that is homeless has a bolt through the head? If there were no rescues then puppy farmers would just drown (or even worse) any dog they could not sell. If your selling dogs in bulk for as much money as possible then your not going to be bothered about killing the ones you don't want. It happens on a large scale now. I hate to think what would happen to unwanted dogs if there were not rescues to take them in. The attudies of some people who live in a safe little bubble really terrifies me.

mrcol1000

suki1964 wrote: »

You really are the most judgemental person I have ever in my life had the misfortune to come across on any forum.

She told me this as well. She obviously tells it to every poster she meets.

I know you won't read this and hopefully someone will quote me but you really need to chill out a bit. People who care about getting the right dog with the right bloodline aren't going to be posting on a forum to get advice. They will be posting on specialist websites to get advice where they can get advice from more experienced people. How many people who post on this board actually care about this kind of thing. I guess its a small percentage of the posters. Most people just want a healthy friendly pet. I really don't understand why you feel the need to get so uptight and upset when people dare to suggest that maybe they try rescues.
Breeders can control the amount of dogs produced. Rescues can't. If people really want a dog from a breeder then they can find that infomation. There is really nothing wrong with people suggesting they try a rescue. The only people who get nasty and judgemental on here seem to be the people who get all worked up about people suggesting to try rescues. This is an open forum and if someone asks about good breeders and someone suggests to try a rescue no matter how they suggest it thats allowed whether you like it or not.
Just chill out a bit and if you don't like people's posts then just ignore the post and get on with your life. Internet forums aren't worth getting so worked up about.

Frugalista

I wasn't going to waste my time and energy replying to you :rolleyes: but you have made some somewhat imflammatory statements that should be corrected ..

mrcol1000 wrote: »

.. posters who seem to think they have to defend the rights of people to buy from breeders

As has been stated innumerable times - people have every right to buy from reputable, responsible breeders if they so wish. What is so outrageous is that their choice to do so needs to be defended on these boards :mad:. Just because it is not a choice you would make doesn't mean that it is wrong for other people to do so.

mrcol1000 wrote: »

People who care about getting the right dog with the right bloodline aren't going to be posting on a forum to get advice. They will be posting on specialist websites to get advice where they can get advice from more experienced people.

Well, quite patently they are (and do so quite regularly) - it's all a learning process - you have to start somewhere. Usually, the people on these boards who know about pedigree dogs will provide them with links to more specialised sites or breed clubs - the pro-rescue folk usually flame them for not taking on a rescue!

mrcol1000 wrote: »

How many people who post on this board actually care about this kind of thing. I guess its a small percentage of the posters.

Quite a lot, actually. It would be interesting to have a poll of how many people on here have actually chosen to buy a pedigee dog or preferred to source their pets from rescues. Neither is wrong. Again, it's called CHOICE.

mrcol1000 wrote: »

Most people just want a healthy friendly pet.

Bingo!! :j If you actually read and inwardly digest the posts on this board, you might be amazed to find that health and temperament are of paramount importance to the reputable, responsible breeder. Time and time again, the pedigree supporters on this board have emphasised the importance of buying only from health tested stock. Obviously, you must have missed that bit

mrcol1000 wrote: »

If people really want a dog from a breeder then they can find that infomation. There is really nothing wrong with people suggesting they try a rescue.

Absolutely! And if they come on these boards to ask for that information most people will do their best to help them, where possible. I think you'll find that when folk come on here to ask about a specific breed, they are also directed to that breeds rescue. What's your problem with that ?

mrcol1000 wrote: »

The only people who get nasty and judgemental on here seem to be the people who get all worked up about people suggesting to try rescues.

Really! I have yet to see a single post where anyone has had any objection to the suggestion of a rescue .

I believe that what some object to, however, is the inference that you are somehow a "bad person" and morally delinquent for chosing to buy a pedigree puppy from a reputable, responsible breeder rather than take on a rescue. This is emphatically not true! Again, this is called PERSONAL CHOICE. Unfortunately, the somewhat militant pro-rescue people on here (and I'm not, in any way, suggesting that everyone pro-rescue on here is like this) are doing both themselves, and the dogs they are seeking to help, a great disservice by doing this.

I have had numerous PM's (as have other pro-pedigree people on this board) asking for advice privately because they feel they will be flamed on the boards. How many times have we seen new posts starting with words like "I am looking for a pedigree ????? puppy. Please, no lectures on rescues!"

mrcol1000 wrote: »

This is an open forum.

Quite ! So lets keep it open to all - whether they want a pedigree, mongrel, crossbreed or rescue. We all have the equal right to be here. Some of us have experience in quite different aspects of dog ownership, and can bring a vast wealth of knowledge to the table. Surely that can only be good for this board?

mrcol1000 wrote: »

Just chill out a bit and if you don't like people's posts then just ignore the post and get on with your life. Internet forums aren't worth getting so worked up about.

You're not wrong there! Maybe you should take a big dose of your own advice .

suki1964

Thanks for the quotes there frug:D

I must pick up on this point that the one I have on iggy seems to have bought up

Originally Posted by mrcol1000
People who care about getting the right dog with the right bloodline aren't going to be posting on a forum to get advice. They will be posting on specialist websites to get advice where they can get advice from more experienced people.

Actually a lot of people know nothing about how to source a pup at all and would be quite happy to pop into a pet shop and buy one ( and therefore support puppy farming). The fact that there are some people coming to the board and asking how to go about it means they obviously have some inkling somewhere that you dont buy from pet shops

Surely not even you can object to us giving them the information on how to go about finding a pup from a reputable breeder. The people who post on this board may not know when they come looking for advice but are you then saying they dont deserve to be educated ?

Are you truly so full of yourself that you dont believe anyone else has the right to the information so that they can than make an informed choice?

You honestly do beggar belief.......

mrcol1000

Frugalista wrote: »

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Quite ! So lets keep it open to all - whether they want a pedigree, mongrel, crossbreed or rescue. We all have the equal right to be here. Some of us have experience in quite different aspects of dog ownership, and can bring a vast wealth of knowledge to the table. Surely that can only be good for this board?


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No offence but I didn't read all your post but then you never read mine properly either and to be honest I am sure you and everyone else is bored of this as I know I am. I think its a good thing to have different views but people do not have a right to throw themselves on the floor and start kicking their feet just because someone has dared to suggest that instead of going to a breeder you can get a perfectly healthy pet (although possibly with a snout an inch too long for the breed) from a rescue. If people want the dog with the exact sized snout and other delights only a breeder can provide then fair on them. But its important for people who just want a pet and don't care about the above to be aware of the 100's of dogs looking for a home.

Frugalista

mrcol1000 wrote: »

No offence but I didn't read all your post but then you never read mine properly either and to be honest I am sure you and everyone else is bored of this as I know I am. I think its a good thing to have different views but people do not have a right to throw themselves on the floor and start kicking their feet just because someone has dared to suggest that instead of going to a breeder you can get a perfectly healthy pet (although possibly with a snout an inch too long for the breed) from a rescue. If people want the dog with the exact sized snout and other delights only a breeder can provide then fair on them. But its important for people who just want a pet and don't care about the above to be aware of the 100's of dogs looking for a home.

I'm really not bothered if you (can) read my posts or not - and if you are bored then you should leave the thread because you're really not contributing anything of value.

As for "throwing themselves on the floor, etc", I think that you are the one showing yourself up with all this petulant nonsense and insults :rolleyes:. You certainly have a vivid imagination .

Once again (just in case it might actually sink in this time:wall:) people are free to make their own choice where they source their pets from - it's not up to you to decide for them!

I think that everyone is fully aware of the thousands of dogs in rescue. I have posted links to rescues myself. I have worked in rescue. I have done fundraising for rescue. However, I choose to share my life with well bred, registered pedigree dogs. THAT IS MY CHOICE!! Just because it is not your choice doesn't mean that it is wrong. Everybody is entitled to choose for themselves - pedigree or rescue. Personally, I will continue to offer advice to anyone looking to find a well bred pedigree dog and defend their right to do so. Other posters on this board will help find suitable, assessed rescue dogs. What is your problem with that ?

Insulting pedigree breeders and their dogs seems to be a particular hang-up of yours - do you have self-esteem issues or feelings of inadequacy? As I said in my previous post, I have yet to see anyone telling a poster that their choice to take a rescue is wrong - so I really don't see why you are getting so nasty .

Have a nice day :wave:

~Chameleon~

Woah and I thought some of the recent discussions I've had re: cat food were heated!! :rotfl:

I'll have to set aside some time later to read this thread so please don't go deleting any posts yet BGs


PS a) did the OP decide to get a greyhound? ... b) Is the OP even still posting here? *chuckle*