Liz Jones is Credit Crunched in the end.....

fc123

ninky wrote: »

wow. quite sadistically written that particular column. i mean to start with the joys of spring and all her hopes beginning to come to life. and then just end on the dog being killed, with no emotional response. quite well paced to leave you wondering at the meaning of it all.

I know what you mean.......it was horrid reading the last few lines....however, she had had problems with Micheal killing sheep ...what point am I making? Maybe the horses felt threatened by him? I rely on LIR for horse/animal info as I am only 'expert' on urban cats.:o

lostinrates

fc123 wrote: »

I know what you mean.......it was horrid reading the last few lines....however, she had had problems with Micheal killing sheep ...what point am I making? Maybe the horses felt threatened by him? I rely on LIR for horse/animal info as I am only 'expert' on urban cats.:o

I'm biased by my education and research, and lack of adherence to UK equestrian tradition!

I rarely let our dogs loose in the field even the old girls are in. Sometimes I will, may be if I just have one dog. What I tend to do is put the horses in, then let the ogs have a run, then gather the dogs and then let the horses out.

99% of times with dogs/horses loose together there would never be an incident. The time there was one it could be nasty. There is enough to risk when you do so properly and safely.

I always tell people, reassuringly, :D they take a risk, a potentially life changing risk, for good or bad when they get on a horse. I then reassure them they will be absolutely fine..lol, but that the risk is a serious one. (if you don't break you might develop an addiction.)

eta: we took out very, very old horse not ridden for years and years and years the other week. Just round th block. She loved it, but unlike special girl I'd never let a begginer on her. Both competed at the top of their respective games, old horse is older, older but she, like many horses seems to ''look'' for a reason to skip. (she did love going out though, and has been in a decidedly good mood since)

lostinrates

In fact, more on the dangerous animals: my rooster is a blighter, I don't want anyone in the field with himwithout a warning and preferably one of us. Geese are notorious, DH when he was still rurally green had a rather nasty incident with a friends sheep I was taking care of, and cattle are ...not really, but to the casual, much like horses in group behaviour.


The situation is as muh the dog. I find horses less threatened my my very big dogs thant hey are with small-medium dogs, sheep no difference in size of dog.

My guess is that the horses were running already and Michael was nothing to do with it. When horses go like that, blinding forward, they just go. Again, cattle can be much the same.

Their survival instinct is created to just get out of there, over anything they have to through anything they have to. In fields this often ends up being a circling round the edge....

poppy10_2

Liz Jones writes about how she managed to get disabled people and old age pensioners to send her money following her infamous "I'm gonna commit suicide" column last week:


To all 4,100 of you who answered my cry from the heart - thank you

I wrote last week in You magazine how I felt close to suicide. The final straw had come at NatWest when Paula refused to let me withdraw £20 to get me through the next few days.

Being in debt is worse than anything I’ve experienced. When you’re ill, or get divorced, or lose a parent, others are sympathetic. When you have no money, people assume it’s because you’re lazy, or profligate. I’d got to the point where I couldn’t cope.

I sat down at my computer. There were 4,100 new emails in my inbox.

I opened the first. ‘Liz, I have a two-bedroom flat in Kennington you’re welcome to share.’
The next read: ‘As we’re pensioners we’d be unable to solve your long-term problem but can send some money towards food and petrol. Patrick and Rita.’

And: ‘I work part-time at the Spar in Littleborough, Rochdale, and only get £46 a week but I’ve just bought you a Euro lotto ticket for this Friday. Kenneth.’

And: ‘I can let you have some money for food, and I do not want it back!!! I too have been without food, electric, hope! I’m a 63-year-old widow. I wish I could help more. Maria.’

And: ‘I’ve got a lovely flat in Shrewsbury. Would you like it for free, for a break? Karen.’
‘Liz, I’ll send you £1,000 for the animals, as long as you don’t print my name.’
‘I could spare £100 a month for five months, does that help? Kim.’
‘Liz, I have a £20 note in a drawer for emergencies, I want you to have this, because I know the despair of having no money and it’s a vile, sinking feeling.’
‘I’m a 77-year-old widow on a state pension, but I’d do anything for my cat, Josh. I’ve won £50 on Premium bonds and I want you to have it, so how can I get it to you? Catherine.’
‘I’m a 56-year-old disabled woman. My husband gave up work to care for me. Would you accept £50 from us?’
‘I have £20 to last me until the 24th when I might or might not be paid but you’re welcome to £10. Caroline.’

On Monday, in among the bills, were dozens of letters, mostly addressed to ‘Liz Jones, somewhere on Exmoor’. I opened the first. A £10 note tumbled out. ‘You worry me!’ wrote Carole.

The next contained a scratch card. ‘I’m a pensioner. I lost my husband 20 years ago, and still miss him every day. I love collies. Love, Joyce, 87 years young!’



If I can’t return the money, I’ll donate it in all your names to Equine Market Watch (I’m patron), and Wiccaweys, which rescues Collies.

We’re always being told we live in a broken society. That we’re greedy. My faith in human nature has been restored. Thank you, Joyce. Thank you, everyone.

Spartacus_Mills

poppy10 wrote: »

Liz Jones writes about how she managed to get disabled people and old age pensioners to send her money following her infamous "I'm gonna commit suicide" column last week:


To all 4,100 of you who answered my cry from the heart - thank you

Okay, it is a shame that she felt close to suicide but this self-pity annoys me. There are SO MANY more deserving cases out there than someone who earns a small fortune and has lived beyond their means.

ceridwen

I admit my reaction to the "I'm gonna commit suicide" rant was "What an attention seeker". She does go on and on and on ad infinitum about all her woes - unfaithful husband, everyone uses me for money, I wish I hadn't moved to the countryside, etc.

She did rather get herself into the situation she is in - she has spent loads of money on very expensive houses and very expensive "consumer goodies". She has thought nothing of spending hundreds of £s on a bit of designer clothing, etc.

When you criticise absolutely everyone = then you get no friends

When you blow every single penny you ever get on expensive items and paying other peoples costs = then you end up with no money

2 + 2 = 4

and that is what she doesn't seem to realise.

If she was more practical with money and less self-obsessed then life would be a good deal easier for her - but she has obviously yet to realise that fact.

I do hope she doesn't keep a penny of that money that was sent to her - I can only think that those who sent it are very kind-hearted - but clearly haven't been following her columns to date.

pelirocco

poppy10 wrote: »

Liz Jones writes about how she managed to get disabled people and old age pensioners to send her money following her infamous "I'm gonna commit suicide" column last week:


To all 4,100 of you who answered my cry from the heart - thank you

Isnt that classed as getting money under false pretences? , not that i believe a word of it anyway:rotfl:

fc123

I saw the article about people sending her money and now I am feeling a bit uncomfortable about it all...plus Lotus Eater posted the digital spy link so I have just 'wasted' some time reading that.:o I guess I could be watching telly instead...anyway...

They posted something called a twit pic which made me laugh...guiltily as I shouldn't really but she is playing a dangerous game here and it could bite her on the a**. Even the guardian had a resume of her article about the 4100 e-mails. Odd thing for them to be interested in...so I sniff a rival digging some dirt at some point and trying to prove the too skint to eat story was a big exaggeration.

http://twitpic.com/1ok84t I can't work out how to post it as a pic.

poppy10_2

fc123 wrote: »

I can't work out how to post it as a pic.

lostinrates

It has to be said: that's a good picture of her, the best I've seen.

FC, the money makes me uncomfortable, the potential mental heath issues make me very uncomfortable. That kind and wonderful people think that money could solve the issues makes me very uncomfortable. That someone's issues being so discussed (not in the colun, but in other interviews/pieces) and the issues being what they are makes me feel very uncomfortable too: I do not believe Liz's popularity to show the nations reading matter, and our taste in interest in good light. It worries me what my nieces, what peoples daughters, learn from this sort of thing.

I really do hope, today , that Liz finds happiness and fulfillment, realises its not in a bottle of shampoo, or a man....and goes on to be a better role model.

I don'tthink her nutrition helps her, and I also think its a bit of a truism that a lot of women do seem to go an extra bit prone to very odd behaviour at certain age...