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I'm probably on the wrong track but here's my thoughts so far
Wishart = George Wishart? a Scottish Protestant martyr (predecessor of Knox) who preached in many places.
'Follow the herd' = Probably something to do with cows. In Scotland the road where cows were driven into a city to market could historically be called the Cowgate.
I googled George Wishart and Cowgate and came up with the Wishart Arch which was the entrance to the Cowgate in Dundee and which he's said to have preached from.

It seems pretty obscure though and if that's right I don't know where I'm going next with an old club. I'm thinking it might be a sports club and so 'play' refers to when they began playing the game rather than a theatrical play.


added - yay think I'm on the right track

Dundee has 2 football clubs Dundee and Dundee United. The older is Dundee FC formed in 1893. Their first ground, or their old ground, was in Carolina Port which I've found used to house the Dundee cattle market where the cows would be driven. According to wiki play began there 1891. But not sure if they might be referring to Dundee FC's first game which is 1893.

1891 - death of Charles Stewart Parnell leader of the Irish Home Rule movement? He has a monument/statue in Dublin and his hand is extended outwards but I don't know where is points as I can't find the orientation of the statue.

ok now I'm stuck

Dormouse

Great work reniannen

But I wonder if there is someone else that died in 1891? I've come up with this: John A Macdonald, first Prime Minister of Canada, and there appears to be a statue of him outside the Legislative Assembly of Ontario in Toronto. I am currently trying to find it on Google Streetview to see where his hand is pointing...

I might be on totally the wrong track though :rotfl:

Melli

Dormouse wrote: »

Great work reniannen

But I wonder if there is someone else that died in 1891? I've come up with this: John A Macdonald, first Prime Minister of Canada, and there appears to be a statue of him outside the Legislative Assembly of Ontario in Toronto. I am currently trying to find it on Google Streetview to see where his hand is pointing...

I might be on totally the wrong track though :rotfl:

John A Macdonald was involved in the creation of the Canadian Pacific Railway Line - may be related to that, rather than the actual direction of his hand?

There are quite a few statues of him across Canada too - was wondering whether there was one by a well-known station, if 'line' relates to the Railway, or if there are any in Scotland (as he was born in Glasgow)?

eta: Both Macdonald's brothers died quite young, one in infancy, the other was killed by a drunken servant (from wiki), so 'Big Brother' isn't literal in this case

Dormouse

Am looking at a statue in Kingston, Ontario - well, I say "looking", but it's not actually on Streetview.

I do suspect this may have something to do with a railway station.

reniannen

Thanks for your help Dormouse and Melli

The instructions on the site say

Each clue leads to a location somewhere in the UK where the virtual treasure is hidden.

so I don't think we're looking at Canada. I wasn't sure with Dublin either since it's not UK but there was an Irish treasure hunt before.

There's definitely no statue of Macdonald here in Glasgow as I found a current facebook group campaigning for one. Going to see if there's one elsewhere in the uk? added - there's a cairn in Sutherland but not a statue.

Think you could be right with a train line, that's something to go on.

I'm wondering if 'leader' could be a pun on his surname, rather than him being an actual leader? Trying to go through 1891 deaths on wikipedia but there was a lot lol

Dormouse

reniannen wrote: »

Thanks for your help Dormouse and Melli

The instructions on the site say so I don't think we're looking at Canada.

Oops, sorry, totally missed that bit

Right, time to re-think :eek:

Melli

reniannen wrote: »

I'm wondering if 'leader' could be a pun on his surname, rather than him being an actual leader? Trying to go through 1891 deaths on wikipedia but there was a lot lol

And there's so many people called 'leader' and the option to search 1893 too...

Not an easy one, this!

Any statues with missing hands to approach the clue from the opposite angle?

cistolic

Now Ive seen all your info, I am probably way way off the mark here and confused.

Wishart took me to St Andrews, they have Golf Club which was formed 1754. Then to Ebenezer Erskine who died that year and his brother Ralph who has a statue at St-Andrews-Erskine Church, Queen Anne Street, Dunfermline, Then I got lost. Sorry if Ive confused you now too.

kirkeastment

Ok so i was going off a limb doing random searches leading off from reniannen's original findings, when i figured a big brother could be construed as someone to look up to in politics.

Before Charles Stewart Parnell was the leader of the Irish Home Rule movement, Daniel O'Connell was considered a nationalist leader, plus they both have streets named after them.

So i looked him up on wikipedia(not the most reliable place i know).

Lo and behold right at the bottom, where it lists the Statues of O'Connell Street(of which there are 7), it states;

It was also noted humorously that the statue of Charles Stewart Parnell, on which appears his famous words "No man has a right to fix the boundary to the march of a nation. To say to his country 'thus far shall thou go and no further", points to the Rotunda Hospital nearby, once Dublin's main maternity hospital, as though he was encouraging the Irish nation to outbreed its enemies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O'Connell_Street

Hope that helps somewhat in finding out the answer;

EDIT: Rotunda Hospital is on Parnell street.

The finale clue seems to point to an old building(possibly 723 years old) that overlooks(stares on this place, this place being Rotunda Hostital), well St. Mary's Abbey is on the street next to Parnell, which should overlook Rotunda Hospital.

Just a guess of course, but there aren't any other buildings older than St.Mary's near enough to overlook Rotunda.

Of course thats assuming everything else i just wrote is correct, fat chance of that though, these bloody things are mind bogglers. :wall:

crin

Could it be a square or house by a church that they are wanting as it say's 'it's 723 by the place that you chase to wah the old window that stares on this place'

He is also a descendant of The Baron of Congleton in Cheshire and his big brother did actually inherit the estate for a while I think

One-Eye

A couple of thoughts someone might try:-
Cowgate Dundee (from reniannen) is crossed by St. Andrews Place / St. Andrews Street. St. Andrews is home of the R&A golf club. cistolic has tried with 1754, but play began here much earlier. The dates are not clear and I have tried briefly with 1506, 1552, and 1574. The first Open at St. Andrews was 1873 which might also be worth a try.
Also on Cowgate is the King's Theatre where 'plays' began in 1909 and it is now a bar/club!

Keep the ideas coming folks, they might provide a piece of someone else's jigsaw!