Puppies first few nights

Any

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

of course not!

However, there is a huge difference between taking on a rescue pup, for a donation of perhaps £100-£150, which usually includes neutering, or a voucher if the pup is too young, microchipping etc, (and accepting that the pups parentage is unknown)... to paying a breeder perhaps several times that, and supporting and encouraging their trade in churning out pups with little care or attention for their, or their parents wellbeing!

On thing is for sure, if there were no customers for unscrupulous breeders, they would soon stop breeding these poor dogs! - do you suggest that people do not look for breeders who health check, or that it is unimportant in this case?

Syringomyelia and Mitral Valve syndrome (which apparently afflicts over half of all Cavalier King Charles spaniels by the age of 5) are horrible conditions and any responsible breeder should be working to ensure they do not perpetuate these!

I would not buy a mongrel for thousands of pounds but I do seriously doubt that "real" breeders are in it for free.

Surely everyone wants to see vet's check before they buy a puppy full stop. No matter where it comes from.

I believe that most of these illnesses are thanks to the pure breed and inter family breeding anyway.

suki1964

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

of course not!

However, there is a huge difference between taking on a rescue pup, for a donation of perhaps £100-£150, which usually includes neutering, or a voucher if the pup is too young, microchipping etc, (and accepting that the pups parentage is unknown)... to paying a breeder perhaps several times that, and supporting and encouraging their trade in churning out pups with little care or attention for their, or their parents wellbeing!

On thing is for sure, if there were no customers for unscrupulous breeders, they would soon stop breeding these poor dogs! - do you suggest that people do not look for breeders who health check, or that it is unimportant in this case?

Syringomyelia and Mitral Valve syndrome (which apparently afflicts over half of all Cavalier King Charles spaniels by the age of 5) are horrible conditions and any responsible breeder should be working to ensure they do not perpetuate these!

Once again you have turned the tread around to anti breeding when the OP requested advice on getting through the pups first nights

ellies_angel

When I first got my puppy home, I made a bed up for her in the kitchen and she cried and cried and my ex said no, you just have to leave her she will be fine and so I did and it broke my heart. The following night I said no and took her bed through to our room and she slept in her bed next to my bed and she slept all night through and I never had any problems

foreign_correspondent

Suki, you introduced the word rescue into this thread not me, in post #15 when you quoted my post about ensuring suitable health checks have been done. Oddly enough, you often talk about the importance of health checks, so I am surprised you are not advocating Any looks into this here.

Any - I agree totally, but as you are looking at a pup which is the result of crossing two breeds which have inherited health problems, probably due to many years of interbreeding, it does not mean these problems cannot come out in the crossbred offspring - so as both these breeds are prone to particular health problems, the parents should be health checked, just as they should if they were being mated with another of the same breed. I would advise this whatever pup you were going to look at.

Any

Right, I've read up a little on crate and I understand why so many people use it..

I need to read up a bit more, but in the mean time can you please advice how big should it be?

foreign_correspondent

pretty small - if it is too big the pup may well toilet at the other end of it!

Have you read the toilet training thread on here? - it may well be useful. I will try and find you a link.

Try these:

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=1987639&highlight=toilet+training

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=1864479&highlight=housetraining

Any

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

so as both these breeds are prone to particular health problems, the parents should be health checked, just as they shoudl if they were being mated with another of the same breed.

I would think EVERY dog should be vet checked on regular basis, not just if they are going to breed.

And I seriously doubt that someone would knowingly breed a dog with illness full stop. Even bad people are not that thick.

foreign_correspondent

Any wrote: »

And I seriously doubt that someone would knowingly breed a dog with illness full stop. Even bad people are not that thick.

Unfortunately, that is not the case - I wish it was though!

Any

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

Unfortunately, that is not the case - I wish it was though!

But the puppy comes with vet check - supposedly if it has the vet check, the mother would have been checked by the same vet and so if he believed there can be any genetical illnesses he would mention that?

foreign_correspondent

Any wrote: »

But the puppy comes with vet check - supposedly if it has the vet check, the mother would have been checked by the same vet and so if he believed there can be any genetical illnesses he would mention that?

No, it does not seem to work like that - the breeder has to request the checks and pay for them - many of them would involve a blood test, or an x ray, for example, and the condition would not be apparent from a regular vet check.

Hip dysplasia, for example, which is common in some breeds, and can make the dog unable to walk in time, as well as causing pain and suffering, can often be seen to be very bad on an x ray, but will not show any symptoms at all for a while... but the dogs with very bad hips clearly should not be bred from.

Because breeders have to pay to have these checks done, the better ones will, the others won't. Both parents should be checked for likely inherited illnessed/problems before they are chosen to breed from.

The health checks will also vary from breed to breed, depending on the genetic illnesses that breed is prone to - so you need to know what the recommended health checks are for both breeds, (based on what the inherited conditions are for both breeds) and then see if these have been done.