Immigration and economical emmigration

inspector_monkfish

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The_White_Horse

Yes, all the benefits in Eastern Europe are as good as ours. The Poles and others are merely here for the weather and eastenders.

do me a favour.

bendix

I guess I would pay more attention to these threads if those with the most forthright views on immigration and emigration could actually spell the b****y words.

leveller2911

bendix wrote: »

I guess I would pay more attention to these threads if those with the most forthright views on immigration and emigration could actually spell the b****y words.

So,in your opinion does poor spelling or grammar mean that someone is ignorant? I would take content over spelling any day of the week......(mind you, I would say that, given my record on spelling)

i8change

Originally Posted by bendix
I guess I would pay more attention to these threads if those with the most forthright views on immigration and emigration could actually spell the b****y words.

Thou doth protest too much, methinks

bendix
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kabayiri

To clarify the thread title :-
- "economic emigration" is going to foreign shores in search of better income and livelihood
- "economical emigration" is using a child's dinghy to get there

chopperharris

bendix wrote: »

I guess I would pay more attention to these threads if those with the most forthright views on immigration and emigration could actually spell the b****y words.

Could be worse I could use an amerish !!!!shunary.

sdooley

Brits who work in Britain can get British benefits if they lose their jobs, which might be £65/week.
Brits who work in Poland can get Polish benefits if they lose their jobs, which might be £20/week.
Brits who work in Germany can get German benefits if they lose their jobs, which might be £350/week (if it was a well-paid job).

The same is true of Poles and Germans if they work in Britain, Germany (which will shortly waive its last restrictions on A8 nationals, but already has hundreds of thousands of central european workers) or Poland.

As for the child benefit, this is a red herring. If as a millionaire Brit you send your child to finishing school in Switzerland you are still entitled to child benefit. On the one hand we're seen complaining that immigrants use resources such as schools, hospitals, etc, yet if the burden of paying for those falls on their state of origin (and the benefit of their hard work and taxes accrue in the UK) why shouldn't they receive UK child benefit and, if they work over 30 hours per week, tax credits? Brits resident and working in Germany pay lower taxes (and receive Kindergeld) if they have children, wherever those children live, just like Germans do.

leveller2911

...My point is: If (which we are) paying for children living in Poland or Romania child benefit of £15 for the first child £12 per week for the 2nd child and so on the cost of living out there is far lower than here and so the money goes much further than here.Child benefit IS NOT a red herring at all.

The whole point of the EU is to make all nations equel and that means we as one of the richer nations in Europe are getting poorer.You only have to look at Ireland and Spain to see that.

It is not right for us to pay benefits to the families of migrant workers who DON'T live here..............END OFF....
The system is biased against the richer countries to help finance poorer countries.If your a Brit in Spain and out of work you receive basic state help and in return you MUST work a certain number of days for the Town Hall, be it white washing stones or sweeping roads or making security grills for windows.
So in return for State money you work.

NB: WE AS A NATION CONTRIBUTE AROUND £4.7 BILLION net A YEAR ............!!!!!! DO WE GET BACK????? .....ON AND GUESS WHAT .NEXT YEAR ITS GOING TO COST US AROUND £6.4 BILLION TO BE IN THE CLUB.....where the logic there, the whole country is struggling and the f**kers still want more.......When I see businesses around mine going tits up it makes me angry......

i8change

if the burden of paying for those falls on their state of origin (and the benefit of their hard work and taxes accrue in the UK) why shouldn't they receive UK child benefit and, if they work over 30 hours per week, tax credits?

Those that come over here from low wage economies often take on lower paid work so they don't in effect pay any tax as the Tax Credits will be far greater than the small amount of tax they have to pay. Even more so if they come from countries that tend to have larger families, Catholic, Polish for example.
The other problem is that Tax Credits are based on last years earnings, So if you come from a low wage country the tax Credits will be very large (for the first year) and you don't pay anything back unless you actually earn over £25,000 more than you did last year.
You could alternate between a year back home (on a lower wage) and a year here on massive Tax Credits indefinitely if you wanted.
Unless wages even out in European countries it will always be an advantage for those from low wage/cost of living countries.
I presume all countries educate their young in the hope they will stay and pay taxes later, so don't see the cost of education as being a problem.