Post staff to hold national strikes (22+23 oct)

cyberbob

wullie wrote: »

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I wouldn't want to live in a rural area once Royal Mail has gone. Believe me, your beloved TnT or whoever will not be interested in leaving the big cities to post a birthday card for 30p. That's where your Postman Pat cartoon is VERY wrong. He delivers to small villages, and i'll tell you a fact.... TnT won't, well not unless you pay a small fortune.

Bit of scaremongering really. The German Postal system had been deregulated since 2008. The prices are a wee bit more but it works and there are no problems delivering to rural areas

Prices (from Deutsche Post):
Standard Letter L: 140-235 mm W: 90-125 mm H: up to 5 mm Weight: up to 20 g
EUR 0.55
Compact Letter
L: 100-235 mm W: 70-125 mm H: up to 10 mm Weight: up to 50 g
EUR 0.90
Large Letter
L: 100-353 mm W: 70-250 mm H: up to 20 mm Weight: up to 500 g
EUR 1.45
Maxi Letter
L: 100-353 mm W: 70-250 mm H: up to 50 mm Weight: up to 1,000 g
EUR 2.20
Postcards
L: 140-235 mm W: 90-125 mm Weight: 150-500 g/qm
EUR 0.45

If the RM is to be saved i'm afraid the unions need to realise that striking is just making it worse. Soon the CWU will be remembered the same way that the NUM was in the 80s.

custardy

cyberbob wrote: »

Well ask them to put them back. Simples eh

do you think im really thick?
you post indicates this
i have asked many times,including in writing
i have now forwarded it to the union H&S

remember mail was weighed before to calculate mail volumes,now it is not
seems strange to be desperate to remove the scales given the space left isnt used

mazza111

I don't take anything u say personal tbh. At my heaviest I was also at my fittest believe it or not. And that's when I was on indoor duties. Lots of heavy lifting etc indoors too. To say I have shoulders like a russian shot putter might give u an idea of the weights involved :rotfl: I went out with the heavy bags AFTER I lost weight, not when I was at my heaviest, and yes, it was stairs that killed my knee, along with the bag weights. We have no health and safety guy in our office. We have to go to the manager and/or union. To be honest, neither are much cop. I have had it officially noted that I have complained that we are forced out with overweight bags.

Custardly, that is so bl00dy typical with the scales. Took them about 3 weeks for ours to get repaired, as we don't use them as much now that everything is gone on average count. Luckily we need them for a certain magazine coming in, it gets weighed in bulk, so our scales are safe for the time being :j

I would vote for a 100% work to rule instead of striking. That way it would show how much of a postie's goodwill is being taken for granted.

blue_monkey_2

But then a work to rule would mean that the 12pm shift ends would have to stop. And no, I am not saying you all finish at 12.00 but I know of several in our area that are finished by, latest, 12.30 but get paid til 3. They refuse to do extra as it would be 'unpaid overtime.

A work to rule would also mean finishing at the time you are paid until so I cannot see many people going for that option, can you?

wullie

cyberbob wrote: »

Bit of scaremongering really. The German Postal system had been deregulated since 2008. The prices are a wee bit more but it works and there are no problems delivering to rural areas

Prices (from Deutsche Post):
Standard Letter L: 140-235 mm W: 90-125 mm H: up to 5 mm Weight: up to 20 g
EUR 0.55
Compact Letter
L: 100-235 mm W: 70-125 mm H: up to 10 mm Weight: up to 50 g
EUR 0.90
Large Letter
L: 100-353 mm W: 70-250 mm H: up to 20 mm Weight: up to 500 g
EUR 1.45
Maxi Letter
L: 100-353 mm W: 70-250 mm H: up to 50 mm Weight: up to 1,000 g
EUR 2.20
Postcards
L: 140-235 mm W: 90-125 mm Weight: 150-500 g/qm
EUR 0.45

If the RM is to be saved i'm afraid the unions need to realise that striking is just making it worse. Soon the CWU will be remembered the same way that the NUM was in the 80s.

"Bit of scaremongering" ?? Oh Realy??
1. I do not live in Germany.
2. We have AT THE MOMENT the cheapest postal service in Europe.
3. Millions of people in fuel poverty since deregulation.
At the end of the day most people i speak to support the postmen simply because i just mention Adam Crozier in the same breath as the bankers and the MPs ie someone who is just in for himself. He asks for postman to make sacrifices whilst awarding himself a massive bonus. Anyone who can't see this must have been asleep for the past two years. They shout for dergulation when history points to higher prices to the customer. After all the past troubles i'm astounded people can't see the likes of Crozier are on the make..

custardy

blue_monkey wrote: »

But then a work to rule would mean that the 12pm shift ends would have to stop. And no, I am not saying you all finish at 12.00 but I know of several in our area that are finished by, latest, 12.30 but get paid til 3. They refuse to do extra as it would be 'unpaid overtime.

A work to rule would also mean finishing at the time you are paid until so I cannot see many people going for that option, can you?

why? im over my time now just like nearly everyone in my office nowadays
cant wait for the January 'savings' to come in.........
BTW a 3pm finish would be a 7am start? which section of RM is that for?
also are these people going in early,not taking breaks?

cally6008

Just opened the letter I received this morning, mobile phone bill. Had a bit of a fit at how much it was and then twigged what the date of the bill was.

Bill date - 29 September 2009
Arrival date - 31 October 2009

It's a blooming good job that I have this paid by direct debit each month.

mazza111

Admittedly we have 2 posties who come in early for an early finish. One is a runner, him and another start together early, he runs round his round then helps the other with the rest of his duty. Then come back for their missorts. They are few and far between. Work to rule would certainly mean that these guys would need to stick to their hours, it would also mean all the guys who are going over their time would be finished on time too. Would hurt RM much more than it would hurt the posties. I will be happy to have my normal start of 9:15 instead of 6am. Oh the joy of sleeping late :j:j:j

amcluesent

The whole business model of the PO needs to be rethought, all this Victorian era stuff of starting work at 6am is a nonsense. It should be 9-5 jobs, with a single tariff for letters as all the urgent stuff for business is now electronic. They should have a van come around after 7pm to try redelivery of large packages and items needing signature, then card peeps who still aren't @home.

custardy

amcluesent wrote: »

The whole business model of the PO needs to be rethought, all this Victorian era stuff of starting work at 6am is a nonsense. It should be 9-5 jobs, with a single tariff for letters as all the urgent stuff for business is now electronic. They should have a van come around after 7pm to try redelivery of large packages and items needing signature, then card peeps who still aren't @home.

the later starts are in RM's plan
your evening van isnt
RM wants posties doing all the packets during delivery (including those originally done by van drivers) so your idea would involve a seperate duty
items requiring a signature inclides special deliverys which still havent had their times changed to include the later finishes as it is
personally i think the 1pm deadline is good from a customer point of view
better than waiting till evening for a courier
given RM wants less staff your redelivery van would mean more and they are just not interested and TBH how late are you expecting this van to come round?