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Kyresa

Well, it's late, so bed time for me!

night all... .. til tomorrow

lors71

markfrizzell wrote: »

Hi
For anyone who is interested here is a basic break down of fees involved with ebay for non business users:

BIN insertion fee: £0.40 Auction with £0.99 start = free
Final value fee up to £49.99 = 9.9% Final value fee = 10%
(pay extra for upgrades i.e. more photos etc.)

paypal fees = 3.4% + £0.20

As an example

List Chunk - 7 day auction starting at 99p FREE
(no upgrades, no reserve, no BIN)

Chunk sells for £20.00 10% ebay final value fee = £2.00
Postage is £2.00
Payment by paypal for £22.00 (inc p&p) 3.4% + 20p = £0.95

Total fee = £2.95

or

List Chunk - BUT IT NOW £20.00 imnsertion fee = £0.40

Chunk sells for £20.00 9.9% final value fee = £1.98
Postage is £2.00
Payment by paypal for £22.00 (inc p&p) 3.4% + 20p = £0.95

Total fees = £3.33

BTW this is just an example, I do not endorse or have profited from selling hamsters!!)

The hammies seem to sell roughly £20. Taking the postage price on the auction as the exact postage cost your looking at about £6 profit if you bought from Hooray for example (£10.99)

Then there is your time spent listing, packaging, going to Post office etc, Ink for printer and so on.

Realistically you could make £4.00 per hammy for a whole lot of effort.

Why bother? Even if you nabbed 20 hamsters your onlymaking £80 profit for hours of work and time and effort.

I would prefer to go work saturday AM and get paid the same for much less hassle..

Sorrry to babble HTH

also paypal takes a cut....have no idea what it is i never look!!!lol
i have no problem with anyone selling anything they own(its none of my business)...and have sold a tunnel and wheel that eventually arrived from PLAY ,after getting elsewhere...its the "10 available" sellers (they are the ones making a huge profit)and those who start at 99p but DONT realise by starting at that price they are obliged to sell at that price if the worst comes to the worst...then try to cancel ...thats wrong!!and ebay should clamp down on it

tinawina_2

lors71 wrote: »

your so right about the buyers adding fav sellers....alot of mine have!!!!!!!!!!!!they buy again and again ....all good sellers send via recorded delivery.......then there is no scope for defrauding SELLERS (they refund not Rm,RM refund if the seller is lucky by way of postage stamps most of the time)so if one of your items sold at 99p you would honour it??if so thats good your an excellent seller....if not.....your listing at 99p to save fees..the sellers who do that and dont start at A PRICE THEY WILL HAPPILY ACCEPT are the ones im "dissing"<<<urgh i feel 10 using that word

You clearly have not had experiences like I have on ebay. Lucky you. Even Recorded delivery does not save you from paypal's inability to sniff out a chancer. I had a guy SIGN for his item, but because the signature could not be retrieved online, I rung RM and asked for apaper copy. I faxed it to Paypal, but they wouldn't accept it as it couldn't be retrieved online. I argued until I was sick that it wasn't MY Fault it wasnt recorded online, only on paper, but they still refunded the guy. Royal mail were not interested as they had a signature to prove the delivery! The police said it was a civil matter. hiding to nothing.
I list my stuff at a price I am prepared to accept. I list things when I am having a clear out of the toy box/wardrobe and the kids get the money from the stuff of theirs that is listed. It helps them to realise the value of money, they save up and buy things and sell things to aid their savings for holidays too. If something goes through at 99p, yes, a sale is a sale. IF it's on a level playing field. Tonights !!!! up on the software on ebay is a different matter. It wasn't a level playing field and I am pleased not to have had anything end tonight.

someone had a mr squiggles just go through at 99p with NO BIDS!!!!!!!!!

skinnyribs1949

tinawina wrote: »

yeah, but the seller then can do the same, and actually refuse to sign for the item, therefore it gets return to sender, again, so it would come back to you, or be lost. ebay will only refund you either way if there is a trackable signature ONLINE. NOT even if you have a copy of the signature faxed to them. This happened to me once. The signature wasn't online, but royal mail sent me a copy of it in the post, which I then faxed to paypal to confirm the buyer had recieved his goods but even then, because they couldn't source the signature themselves, online, they refunded the guy. I was pretty !!!!ed off. To say the least.!

my partner sold a brand new in box halloween bad fairy wig about 2 years ago we sent it recorded because the woman was requesting it to be sent to a unregistered address she claimed for weeks that the item had not been received and kept telling us she worked for the post office and got quite nasty anyways even though we had proof of recorded delivery it had not been signed for at the other end paypal refunded the woman and low and behold the parcel was signed for the next day it made me really mad !!!

markfrizzell

lors71 wrote: »

also paypal takes a cut....have no idea what it is i never look!!!lol

Hi Lors.. i did include it in my post.

Its 3.4% + 20p (unless over £1500.00)

Obviously that is worked out on the total inc. postage whereas the ebay is just ion the total without postage.

lors71

fazeypie wrote: »

i dont think people took what you said to start with the right way- i understand what you were saying, just explaining you've been on the receiving end of bad buyers saying they havent received stuff when they have and getting a refund via the paypal dispute process. i've also been a victim of this in the past, i know how frustrating it is so i only send things via recorded delivery now both to protect myself and my buyers.

Thank you...it is frustrating and your very first line in your post was spot on..i was trying to say "how,what those sellers cancelling would make me feel like doing"........a good seller would honour the end of auction price.xx

lors71

markfrizzell wrote: »

Hi Lors.. i did include it in my post.

Its 3.4% + 20p (unless over £1500.00)

Obviously that is worked out on the total inc. postage whereas the ebay is just ion the total without postage.

sorry......ooops!!lol..i really should pay attention to what paypal takes off me..x

tinawina_2

markfrizzell wrote: »

Oh gosh, there must be some real great ways to make good money on ebay if you know what to buy and sell.

Personally we use it to sell xbox and wii games, dvds, cd's, toys and games that we never use anymore. The way the wife buys stuff, every year we have a lot to sell.

I guess the professional ebayers who run as a business selling 100 of Go Go stuff are making a tidty sum.

I can't imagine spending a whole weekend listing, then another weekend packaging and a whole lunch time posting hamsters for a measly £80.

lol - me neither flower! me neither! lol
I saw the peter kay tickets today because my friend rung me from work to ask me to have a look for her a pair. (ebay's blocked at work! LOL)
I couldn't believe people's stupidity/desperation. He doesn't float my boat to start with, but its ridiculous.
your sentence "the way the wife buys......." made me check to see if you were actually my husband in disguise! he's on the desktop at the moment and makes comments like that! made me smile. we're women. it's expected.
Lily Allen wrote this line especially for me. "I am a weapon of massive consumption, it's not my fault, it's how I'm programmed to function!"

2theridge

Kyresa wrote: »

The buyer was put at no disadvantage at all.

Frustration occurs AFTER a contract has completed and where it is impossible for one party to perform their obligations. It's not about whether an auction site was only available to a few thousand people so the seller didn't get the price he wanted! The contract is not impossible to perform now! The seller has the goods, the buyer has contracted to buy them - during the period that is claimed "the site was down"....

The seller set the start price at 99p - I think the argument would go, if he wanted more, he should have asked for more, rather than trying to avoid listing fees.

Getting technical:

Lord Radcliffe in Davis Contractors Ltd v Fareham Urban District Council:

"Frustration occurs whenever the law recognises that without default of either party a contractual obligation has become incapable of being performed because the circumstances in which performance is called for would render it a thing radically different from that which was undertaken by the contract... it was not this that I promised to do".

Well the seller promised to sell the goods to the highest bidder at the end of the auction! The buyer took a risk on what price he would get. The site was not down, people were getting on it! I don't think it matters that the seller didn't get as wide an audience as he would like!

Here is the summary from the University of London course manual in contract:

The Doctrine of Frustration operates to relieve parties of any further obligations under a contract. It applies when some event which is not the responsibility of either party has made performance of the contract impossible, or radically different from what was originally agreed. Examples of events which will lead to frustration include destruction of the subject matter, the non-occurence of an event, outbreak of war and government intervention. The contract will not be frustrated if the performance is simply made more difficult or expensive, or if a significant part of the contract survives the frustrating event.


I really am failing to see how this is frustration!

Shouldn't this argument, which is now very public, be taken offline?:o

2theridge

markfrizzell wrote: »

Hi
For anyone who is interested here is a basic break down of fees involved with ebay for non business users:

BIN insertion fee: £0.40 Auction with £0.99 start = free
Final value fee up to £49.99 = 9.9% Final value fee = 10%
(pay extra for upgrades i.e. more photos etc.)

paypal fees = 3.4% + £0.20

As an example

List Chunk - 7 day auction starting at 99p FREE
(no upgrades, no reserve, no BIN)

Chunk sells for £20.00 10% ebay final value fee = £2.00
Postage is £2.00
Payment by paypal for £22.00 (inc p&p) 3.4% + 20p = £0.95

Total fee = £2.95

or

List Chunk - BUT IT NOW £20.00 imnsertion fee = £0.40

Chunk sells for £20.00 9.9% final value fee = £1.98
Postage is £2.00
Payment by paypal for £22.00 (inc p&p) 3.4% + 20p = £0.95

Total fees = £3.33

BTW this is just an example, I do not endorse or have profited from selling hamsters!!)

The hammies seem to sell roughly £20. Taking the postage price on the auction as the exact postage cost your looking at about £6 profit if you bought from Hooray for example (£10.99)

Then there is your time spent listing, packaging, going to Post office etc, Ink for printer and so on.

Realistically you could make £4.00 per hammy for a whole lot of effort.

Why bother? Even if you nabbed 20 hamsters your onlymaking £80 profit for hours of work and time and effort.

I would prefer to go work saturday AM and get paid the same for much less hassle..

Sorrry to babble HTH

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