crash law

paulkenton

I already have stated where you said it..... ill do it again.

from another post,

While I too would be mightyly !!!!ed off, technically she did stop at the time. She must have done to change direction and drive off.

Failing to report would be the offence.

and from this one,

Only butting in to reiterrate, that stopping means just that. Achieving zero miles per hour for I nanosecond surfices.

Now though,

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Originally Posted by
Section 170 states that the driver of a motor vehicle on a road that is involved in a collision whereby damage or injury (to anything other than that vehicle or driver) are caused must stop at the scene, and, provide/swap certain details to/with any person there who has reasonable grounds to need that information. IF the driver does not comply completely with all parts of that last sentence, (s)he must report the collision straight away. There may be circumstances (like being in the middle of a Scottish moor with no phone for miles) that prevent the driver reporting the collision straight away but it must always be reported within twenty four hours if that first sentence is not fully complied with.


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And that's what you said originally, and I agreed with, Allehluah(sp):T:T:T:T:T

Nige explains that you must remain at the scene long enough to exchange details, not one nanosecond and you recon you've agreed with what they said all along.

Simple. You were wrong, they were right.

cyclonebri1

Ok, have you actually read post #131? Obviously not.

Now in your post above you have kindly quoted what Nige stated a while back and that I wholeheartedly agreed with, ie, HE said, not me, that IF you fail to fully comply with section 2 you must as detailed in section 3 report asap.
That is what I was applauding as it clearly stated what he said originally and I have adhered to all through.

I'll quote it back to you incase you missed it;

Quote:
Originally Posted by
Section 170 states that the driver of a motor vehicle on a road that is involved in a collision whereby damage or injury (to anything other than that vehicle or driver) are caused must stop at the scene, and, provide/swap certain details to/with any person there who has reasonable grounds to need that information. IF the driver does not comply completely with all parts of that last sentence, (s)he must report the collision straight away. There may be circumstances (like being in the middle of a Scottish moor with no phone for miles) that prevent the driver reporting the collision straight away but it must always be reported within twenty four hours if that first sentence is not fully complied with.



Again do you agree that in all the cases exampled by the other 2 the reason they were prosecuted was for their failing to stop.

There is absolutely nothing written in this thread that defines how long someone must stop for. It would not be possible to cover all situations as I seb and Nige have made clear, that is why in my view and the of traffic cop that advised me, the act gives leeway in what you must do in the event of an accident.

Let me simply put it in my own simplified words and tell me if I'm right or wrong

If you are the driver of a vehicle that is involved in an accident that causes damage or injury to anyone/thing, you must stop and provide details. If for good reason you cannot do that at the scene you must report to the police asap


The act clearly does not define how long you have to stop for and accepts that there will be occaisions when a driver can't.

Nothing anyone has said in this thread especially from you, (as you just seem to quote everyone elses posts), has proven me wrong. It doesn't mean I think it's right or acceptable to not stop for an appropriate period or give details.

paulkenton

I'm quoting everyone elses posts because I'm not trained in law, like you and I disagree that you havn't changed your tune on being proved wrong.

So you are still changing what you said then?

From stating that a woman did stop as she must have come to a complete standstill after a bump, to now saying that she must stop and exchange details.

It's really simple, don't get ansty about it. You've just changed what you said from someone simply needs to come to a complete standstill to they need to stop and exchange details.

cyclonebri1

paulkenton wrote: »

I'm quoting everyone elses posts because I'm not trained in law, like you and I disagree that you havn't changed your tune on being proved wrong.

So you are still changing what you said then?

From stating that a woman did stop as she must have come to a complete standstill after a bump, to now saying that she must stop and exchange details.

It's really simple, don't get ansty about it. You've just changed what you said from someone simply needs to come to a complete standstill to they need to stop and exchange details.

No, I said they have to stop or come to acomplete standstill. I didnot say they have to exchange details, that was in the quote from the act, please pay attention.

Try this for size, and if you open your mind you might just realise what I've being trying to get accross.

As found today on the net;

What is the law surrounding failing to stop at the scene of an ...
We have expert defence specialists standing by to help! ... If you do not stop at the scene of the accident for some reason (for instance, because of an ...
www.drivingdefences.com/...stop...scene/failure-to-stop-at-the-scene-or-report-an-accident.aspx - Cached - Similar

My apologies for not being too smart with the links.

But please feel free and comeback if this does not fall in with what I have been saying from my 1st post. I don't back track, if I get it wrong I apologuise, in this case nothing has given me reason to do that.


Oh, you still have'nt told me why you are here, and -please try to add something original.

paulkenton

What do you mean why I'm here? I've been viewing the forum for the last few weeks as I've suddenly got a lot of time on my hands. Never felt compelled to post before until you started calling people !!!!!! and bac tracking like saying all you had to do was stop for a brief moment after an accident and then report the matter to police as in the 'opt out' conversation earlier.

cyclonebri1

paulkenton wrote: »

What do you mean why I'm here? I've been viewing the forum for the last few weeks as I've suddenly got a lot of time on my hands. Never felt compelled to post before until you started calling people !!!!!! and bac tracking like saying all you had to do was stop for a brief moment after an accident and then report the matter to police as in the 'opt out' conversation earlier.

The two major pratagonists suddenly fell in love with each other half way through the debate with nothing proven.
Do you understand what a debate is? It's where you argue as a group and usually have something of your own to add. You fail to fit in with that one.

Just read and answer the rest of what I asked you, you have done nothing to justify me wasting anymore time on you so far.

I do really wonder what your motive is as I said, asking? No. Advising? No.

Simply arguing? Yes,

I'll come back when either Seb or Nige return.

paulkenton

I'm advising. Basicly just showing others who may read this that you originally said you only needed to come to a standstill after a bump and the act meant you were free to report it to police later but now are agreeing with seb and nige but they're saying you must stop long enough to exchange details. Two totally different things.

sebdangerfield

I'm still here in the background, don't see much point in giving advise when the person who's point was wrong in the first place starts calling names like a child.

The simple fact is, you need to stop at the scene of an accident a sufficient amount of time to exchange details to whomever has an interest on them. This is stated in R v knapp. Not, come to a complete standstill after the accident and report it to police. That would be failing to stop as both nige and I pointed out.

cyclonebri1

sebdangerfield wrote: »

I'm still here in the background, don't see much point in giving advise when the person who's point was wrong in the first place starts calling names like a child.


You really do need to look at how you addressed Nige earlier in the post before you go down that route.

The simple fact is, you need to stop at the scene of an accident to exchange details to whomever has an a sufficient amount of time interest on them. This is stated in R v knapp. Not, come to a complete standstill after the accident and report it to police. That would be failing to stop as both nige and I pointed out.

Quote again, and prove it this time Seb. Read my last post which is the 1st time I have looked outside for support and collaboration.

I really am trying to work with you and Nigel to bring this thing to an agreeable conclusion. I will exclude the newcomer at this stage as he seems to be a clone of some sort

Please repeat your R v knapp thing as I may just have missed something

Also can you tell me where it states what a sufficient amount of time is, and remember these are your words not mine.

Also can you comment on my one and only attempted link a few posts back?

NigeWick

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

There is absolutely nothing written in this thread that defines how long someone must stop for.

Section 170 of the Road Traffic Act states that the driver must stop and provide details to anybody who has reasonable grounds to require them. Some people write faster than others and stopping for a nanosecond will certainly not be acceptable.

Duties in case of accident
170 Duty of driver to stop, report accident and give information or documents

(1) This section applies in a case where, owing to the presence of a motor vehicle on a road, an accident occurs by which—
(a) personal injury is caused to a person other than the driver of that motor vehicle, or
(b) damage is caused—
(i) to a vehicle other than that motor vehicle or a trailer drawn by that motor vehicle, or
(ii) to an animal other than an animal in or on that motor vehicle or a trailer drawn by that motor vehicle, or
(iii) to any other property constructed on, fixed to, growing in or otherwise forming part of the land on which the road in question is situated or land adjacent to such land.

(2) The driver of the motor vehicle must stop and, if required to do so by any person having reasonable grounds for so requiring, give his name and address and also the name and address of the owner and the identification marks of the vehicle.

(3) If for any reason the driver of the motor vehicle does not give his name and address under subsection (2) above, he must report the accident.

(4) A person who fails to comply with subsection (2) or (3) above is guilty of an offence.

(5) If, in a case where this section applies by virtue of subsection (1)(a) above, the driver of the vehicle does not at the time of the accident produce such a certificate of insurance or security, or other evidence, as is mentioned in section 165(2)(a) of this Act—
(a) to a constable, or
(b) to some person who, having reasonable grounds for so doing, has required him to produce it,
the driver must report the accident and produce such a certificate or other evidence.
This subsection does not apply to the driver of an invalid carriage.

(6) To comply with a duty under this section to report an accident or to produce such a certificate of insurance or security, or other evidence, as is mentioned in section 165(2)(a) of this Act, the driver—
(a) must do so at a police station or to a constable, and
(b) must do so as soon as is reasonably practicable and, in any case, within twenty-four hours of the occurrence of the accident.

(7) A person who fails to comply with a duty under subsection (5) above is guilty of an offence, but he shall not be convicted by reason only of a failure to produce a certificate or other evidence if, within five days after the occurrence of the accident, the certificate or other evidence is produced at a police station that was specified by him at the time when the accident was reported.

(8) In this section “animal” means horse, cattle, a_ss, mule, sheep, pig, goat or dog.