crash law

sebdangerfield

No, Junior's the security guard. Steve sharpens the pencils and I've just employed a PA who's kind enough to make a brew or two.

cyclonebri1

I think this one's dead in the water, so probably lesson learnt for everyone? I'll take my leave from this thread, cheers all,:money:

NigeWick

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

Say what guys, each of you state in one concise paragraph?

Section 170 states that the driver of a motor vehicle on a road that is involved in a collision whereby damage or injury (to anything other than that vehicle or driver) are caused must stop at the scene, and, provide/swap certain details to/with any person there who has reasonable grounds to need that information. IF the driver does not comply completely with all parts of that last sentence, (s)he must report the collision straight away. There may be circumstances (like being in the middle of a Scottish moor with no phone for miles) that prevent the driver reporting the collision straight away but it must always be reported within twenty four hours if that first sentence is not fully complied with.

cyclonebri1

NigeWick wrote: »

Section 170 states that the driver of a motor vehicle on a road that is involved in a collision whereby damage or injury (to anything other than that vehicle or driver) are caused must stop at the scene, and, provide/swap certain details to/with any person there who has reasonable grounds to need that information. IF the driver does not comply completely with all parts of that last sentence, (s)he must report the collision straight away. There may be circumstances (like being in the middle of a Scottish moor with no phone for miles) that prevent the driver reporting the collision straight away but it must always be reported within twenty four hours if that first sentence is not fully complied with.

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And that's what you said originally, and I agreed with, Allehluah(sp):T:T:T:T:T

paulkenton

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

Yes, you must stop.

No, you don't have to give details at the scene

Yes, you have to report this ASAP, eg within 24hrs to the police


The one thing you do not have to do is stop and exchange details.

This is to protect the innocent party in an accident from the wrath of the other party, totally correct in my opinion.:T

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And that's what you said originally, and I agreed with, Allehluah(sp):T:T:T:T:T

Now who's the !!!!!!!? You spent pages saying you didn't have to stay at the scene until seb posted loads of news articles where people have been convicted of both failing to stop and failing to report. I think you're the only person who's been on here who doesn't get it. Then you try to make it look like you understood and agreed all along! You've done nothing but argue with bri and seb and now you try to make it look like you agree!? What you were saying all along was that it was an option to stop at the scene.

You're just too far up your own !!!! to be able to see these two proved you wrong and instead of being a man and thanking them for thier knowledge you just pretent that you knew the law all along. You're looking like an absolute idiot now.

cyclonebri1

paulkenton wrote: »

Now who's the !!!!!!!? You spent pages saying you didn't have to stay at the scene until seb posted loads of news articles where people have been convicted of both failing to stop and failing to report. I think you're the only person who's been on here who doesn't get it. Then you try to make it look like you understood and agreed all along!

And you my newcomer friend fail to see or read into this that in all those cases Seb quoted, everyone was a situation where the driver failed to stop, all hit and runs, can you understand that?. The example drivers all failed to stop.
In every answer I have given I have stated that as absolute, YOU MUST STOP, try and find where I've said otherwise. There is no definition however of how long you have to stop for, and if there is good reason for doing so you may give details to the police asap.
Try this for an example. A driver hits and kills a pedestrian, obviously dead. No one around, no mobile. What does he do wait around for ever?
No, he leaves within a few seconds, drives to the police station and reports. No offence committed in respect of the act, disregarding the accident itself of course.

You know when you see a sign at a junction that says STOP, how long do you think you have to stop for? I know that's almost irrelevant, but it just gives an idea that the word stop can be used in a permanent or a transient sense.

I have not wavered on iota from what I said so do not acuse me of that, unlike Nige who seemed to want an argument with everyone else including himself.

I have also stated that I do not agree with the act/law as it stands, it is open to abuse, I quoted an example of this in which I was directly involved. The advice I was given from the police at the scene was that because the driver hit us and drove away by reversing, he had infact stopped. I didn't make that up, that came from a traffic officer.

Since this is your 1st post I'll give you the benefit of the doubt regarding your intentions, but read it from the start then come back to me and tell me if what I have posted here is a true account of this thread.

paulkenton

What on earth has anything got to do with wether this is my first post or not? Is it like the bigger boys at school that have been there for longer trying to intimidate the new boys? The simple fact you have in excess of 1800 posts probably means you spend too long on the net and should get a wife or some friends.

If you've not waiverd one iota from what you said first then you still think this applies?

cyclonebri1 You must stop, nothing more. Hitting something, coming to a standstill and then driving off still counts as having stopped.

paulkenton

You know when you see a sign at a junction that says STOP, how long do you think you have to stop for? I know that's almost irrelevant, but it just gives an idea that the word stop can be used in a permanent or a transient sense.

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How can stop be used in a transient sense? Stop a little bit!? Stop nearly!?

I'm no lawyer but a quick google defines stopping after an accident as in lee v knapp 1966. It means stopping for long enough to exchange details. Not;

cyclonebri1 You must stop, nothing more. Hitting something, coming to a standstill and then driving off still counts as having stopped.

paulkenton

And another google shows stopping at a stop sign means comming to a complete stop, as in not give way.

You're already on the internet bri, you only need to open google before quoting rubbish! I love it when people think they know law when they have nothing to back it up!

cyclonebri1

Ok last thing first, I don't need the internet to give me a definition of Stop. Stop means don't go? Am I right? So do you expect the sign to change to Go? or Go if safe to do so? No you dam well dont.

I'll post this then address your other points as you have multiple posted.