Tory cuts could be mighty unpleasant

Afriend_2

wxmlad wrote: »

When I started working for the DWP my wage was so low they I was entitled to working tax credits as s ingle person, yet I've been told I'm over paid on here before now:rolleyes:

You get paid for posting on here?
Is that like quidco?

Graham_Devon

We can argue all we like. People can say "nasty tories" as much as they like.

This has GOT to be done. We cannot just carry on this path labour are leading us down, as that is a road of ever increasing debt.

Yes, some of the stuff the tories are talking about will effect me. But I think it's a little pointless to keep hoping the pain will be dealt to someone else in the country. I think the copious amounts of threads which have "toffs don't care for the poor" is pointless.

Something has to be done. It's that simple. And yes, it WILL effect some, if not most of us. But thats the price we have to pay for the past decade. We have got too used to nicities, people have got far too dependant on benefitsand credits.

There is no point just saying "well the tories should hit the rich" as there is a fine line between hitting the rich aswell as the rest of us, and just hitting the rich and forcing them, ans their tax revenues, elsewhere.

Rochdale_Pioneers

Graham_Devon wrote: »

This has GOT to be done. We cannot just carry on this path labour are leading us down, as that is a road of ever increasing debt.

WHAT has to be done? What precisely has Osborne announced? Darling has a published budget to cut the deficit in half in 4 years. Osborne announced various things yesterday, but most are low cost savings or deferred to the middle of the next decade.

I agree with you that cuts have to be made - you can't have a deficit that large sustained over a long period. But for all the tough talk I didn't hear the Tories put any numbers behind the cuts. So I take it there is more to come - yet they have already said enough to spook half the population.

Are you sure that the promised golden age of austerity is a vote winner?

Graham_Devon

Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »

WHAT has to be done? What precisely has Osborne announced? Darling has a published budget to cut the deficit in half in 4 years. Osborne announced various things yesterday, but most are low cost savings or deferred to the middle of the next decade.

Well theres the pay freeze for public sector workers earning over 18k. The pay freeze for ministers. A stop to child trust funds and child tax credits for those over a certain wage. And the extension to the retirement age of 1 year.

On the point of the child tax credits. It's something like a tenner a week. What on earth is the point in this? It will save millions.

I agree with you that cuts have to be made - you can't have a deficit that large sustained over a long period. But for all the tough talk I didn't hear the Tories put any numbers behind the cuts. So I take it there is more to come - yet they have already said enough to spook half the population.

Are you sure that the promised golden age of austerity is a vote winner?

As you fully know, he can't really give precise figures, as they do not have access to the books.

StevieJ

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Well theres the pay freeze for public sector workers earning over 18k. The pay freeze for ministers. A stop to child trust funds and child tax credits for those over a certain wage. And the extension to the retirement age of 1 year.
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Should prove popular

Graham_Devon

StevieJ wrote: »

Should prove popular

No cuts are going to be popular though are they. Regardless of the party doing it.

Whether they hit the rich, the poor, or everyone inbetween, or indeed, all of those groups....cuts are simply not popular.

But this isn't ALL about popularity.....it simply has to be done. I'd guess if labour did get back in for another term, they would turn round and cut pretty harshly, regardless of what they said in the run up to the election. They have proved they will turn their backs as they wish when they have what they want in the past (referendums, failed promises, election that never was and nicking the ideas from the other conferences etc).

They have to. There is no other option. No other way of even starting to sort out the mess.

Afriend_2

Graham_Devon wrote: »

No cuts are going to be popular though are they. Regardless of the party doing it.

Whether they hit the rich, the poor, or everyone inbetween, or indeed, all of those groups....cuts are simply not popular.

But this isn't ALL about popularity.....it simply has to be done. I'd guess if labour did get back in for another term, they would turn round and cut pretty harshly, regardless of what they said in the run up to the election. They have proved they will turn their backs as they wish when they have what they want in the past (referendums, failed promises, election that never was and nicking the ideas from the other conferences etc).

They have to. There is no other option. No other way of even starting to sort out the mess.

Cutting the Beeb would be popular. It's a waste of money and I hardly watch the thing.
I'd prefer the license fee money to be in my pocket.

<self note: you promised yourself that you wouldn't debate with Graham>

edgex

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Well theres the pay freeze for public sector workers earning over 18k. The pay freeze for ministers. A stop to child trust funds and child tax credits for those over a certain wage. And the extension to the retirement age of 1 year.

On the point of the child tax credits. It's something like a tenner a week. What on earth is the point in this? It will save millions.





As you fully know, he can't really give precise figures, as they do not have access to the books.

& what will doing that 'save'?
piddling pointless amounts

pay freeze for earnings over £18k?
theres people on these boards pointing out that 'average' wages are either £20k or £25k

pay freeze for ministers?
hah, does that mean theyll spend more time finding other sources of pay!

extension of retirement age?
thats going to happen anyway, thats all long term stuff that's already in place.

edgex

Afriend wrote: »

Cutting the Beeb would be popular. It's a waste of money and I hardly watch the thing.
I'd prefer the license fee money to be in my pocket.

<self note: you promised yourself that you wouldn't debate with Graham>

not a government funded org though!

movingforward2010

edgex wrote: »

pay freeze for ministers?
hah, does that mean theyll spend more time finding other sources of pay!

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exactly, and I doubt any ministers will be going cold during the winter because they can't afford the heating on :rolleyes:

I'd like to see some of them try and live on less than £18k a year too