Tory cuts could be mighty unpleasant

elwistua

The_White_Horse wrote: »

seriously, for someone who works, gets no benefits or tax credits, what cuts are we going to see? less police? less nhs staff? I don't think so. less useless teachers who can't even spell themselves? less what? probably worried about less youth centres and less diversity programmes and such tosh.

we can have 10,000 or 250,000 incompetent useless lefty social workers. they will still be useless and unfit for purpose.

i heard a radio interview and they allocate half a day to write up meeting notes from a one hour meeting?????? how can that be possible????

i read a council compensates workers for having to wait for an elevator!!!??????

the problem is that they are all useless and need too many meetings.

the people in the public sector are different from those in the private sector. they are mostly useless and incompetent.

a worker in a private office will do the job of 10 in the public sector.

A cynical view from an understandably cynical but misguided and headline driven general public. I work for a local council and there are those in higher paid positions who you wonder how on earth they got where they are and I totally agree there are too many of them but they are thankfully a minority. The silent majority do work very hard and diligently trying to do the right thing and give the public a good service, thats fit for purpose and give value for money. We are tax payers too after all. As for public service pensions, I haven't opted in for a number of reasons some personal but also because I feel uncomfortable in adding to the problem of the civil service time bomb. Least we forget central government adds all sorts of levels of bureacracy into the lower tiers of councils in the name of performance measurement and best value, so who exactly is tying who up in knots, it all comes from the top. Too many chiefs springs to mind.

movingforward2010

Hey I've got a plan

Lets cut all the public sector jobs, then pay private firms double to do the same work. This way when they pay their staff it will look like they are being paid from the private sector, but really it will be public money. Also all it will create loads more fat cats. As long as it doesn't say 'public sector' no one will know !
What ya think?

Degenerate

vivatifosi wrote: »

I can give you a citation for the elevators story, though the extra pay has now been stopped...

http://www.fm-world.co.uk/news/fm-industry-news/daft-lift-waiting-allowance-faces-the-axe/

And the justification for it:

“The allowance was introduced many years ago because poor lift facilities in the municipal offices meant that staff often had to wait 10-15 minutes for a lift during the morning and afternoon peak times.

“Workers argued that their clock-in time should be when they arrive at their workplace, rather than at their desk. Flexible working and faster, more reliable lifts mean it’s no longer as relevant.”

Am I the only person who thinks this is perfectly reasonable? If I had to spend up to half an hour a day waiting for my employer's crummy lifts, I too would expect it to be in their time, not mine. The solution is to fix the lifts, which it seems has now finally happened.

The_White_Horse

wxmlad wrote: »

Hey I've got a plan

Lets cut all the public sector jobs, then pay private firms double to do the same work. This way when they pay their staff it will look like they are being paid from the private sector, but really it will be public money. Also all it will create loads more fat cats
What ya think?

good idea, provided there is competition we will probably get better services, cheaper than the current income tax, VAT, corporation tax, and council tax paid out.

the only place it won't work is where there is no competition - like trains. first capital connect are useless, but there is no choice. you can't go elsewhere.

movingforward2010

The_White_Horse wrote: »

good idea, provided there is competition we will probably get better services, cheaper than the current income tax, VAT, corporation tax, and council tax paid out.

the only place it won't work is where there is no competition - like trains. first capital connect are useless, but there is no choice. you can't go elsewhere.

dont expect it to cost any less matey;) and most front line staff are on a low wage now

ILW

elwistua wrote: »

A cynical view from an understandably cynical but misguided and headline driven general public. I work for a local council and there are those in higher paid positions who you wonder how on earth they got where they are and I totally agree there are too many of them but they are thankfully a minority. The silent majority do work very hard and diligently trying to do the right thing and give the public a good service, thats fit for purpose and give value for money. We are tax payers too after all. As for public service pensions, I haven't opted in for a number of reasons some personal but also because I feel uncomfortable in adding to the problem of the civil service time bomb. Least we forget central government adds all sorts of levels of bureacracy into the lower tiers of councils in the name of performance measurement and best value, so who exactly is tying who up in knots, it all comes from the top. Too many chiefs springs to mind.

I think part of the problem of the people at the top comes from a much quoted justification of their £100k plus salaries which goes something like this: "I deserve this remuneration bacause I head up a council with a budget of £XXXX millions, employing XXXX thousands of people."
This just encourages inefficiency and overspending.

bendix

Sir_Humphrey wrote: »

What no-one has mentioned here is the attitude people will have to the rich when they decide to drive their Bentleys past the hair-shirted masses.

If this is an example of the insight you bring to the world of firework regulation in the civil service, I can see you are indeed a very valuable resource, and I for one am delighted to be paying your salary.

elwistua

The_White_Horse wrote: »

good idea, provided there is competition we will probably get better services, cheaper than the current income tax, VAT, corporation tax, and council tax paid out.

the only place it won't work is where there is no competition - like trains. first capital connect are useless, but there is no choice. you can't go elsewhere.

Oh dear, i think some people will never truely be satisifed no matter who is in power or who provides the public services 'some' rely on. Shall we expect these misguided fools to pay directly for the services provided to them.

Still posts like this at least brighten the day no matter how cynical we get I can rest easy that as bitter as life makes you someone is always worse.

bendix

wxmlad wrote: »

Hey I've got a plan

Lets cut all the public sector jobs, then pay private firms double to do the same work. This way when they pay their staff it will look like they are being paid from the private sector, but really it will be public money. Also all it will create loads more fat cats. As long as it doesn't say 'public sector' no one will know !
What ya think?

I think the point is that if you left it to private sector organisation to do the work, they would make rational decisions and decide half the work didn't - in fact - need to be done.

There was a news story recently which highlighted an education authority had paid spent £30,000 buying a £1,000 photocopier. Can you imagine that happening in the private sector? Of course not.

The fact is that most of what is deemed as essential public services are, in fact, not essential at all. It is generated to justify the number of non-jobs that have been created.

edgex

The_White_Horse wrote: »

good idea, provided there is competition we will probably get better services, cheaper than the current income tax, VAT, corporation tax, and council tax paid out.

the only place it won't work is where there is no competition - like trains. first capital connect are useless, but there is no choice. you can't go elsewhere.

what competition?

& how will it be cheaper?
dont private companies want to make a profit?




the only place it won't work is where there is no competition - like shops. tesco's are useless, but there is no choice. you can't go elsewhere

& yes, that has occurred in some places