Tory cuts could be mighty unpleasant

movingforward2010

bendix wrote: »

I think the point is that if you left it to private sector organisation to do the work, they would make rational decisions and decide half the work didn't - in fact - need to be done.

There was a news story recently which highlighted an education authority had paid spent £30,000 buying a £1,000 photocopier. Can you imagine that happening in the private sector? Of course not.

The fact is that most of what is deemed as essential public services are, in fact, not essential at all. It is generated to justify the number of non-jobs that have been created.

strange in all gov depts I've worked in the photocopiers have been leased.

I dont know how someone can say that a job is a non-job without actually seeing what the person does?

*awaits links and list of jobs which are deemed 'non jobs' *

edgex

bendix wrote: »

I think the point is that if you left it to private sector organisation to do the work, they would make rational decisions and decide half the work didn't - in fact - need to be done.

There was a news story recently which highlighted an education authority had paid spent £30,000 buying a £1,000 photocopier. Can you imagine that happening in the private sector? Of course not.

The fact is that most of what is deemed as essential public services are, in fact, not essential at all. It is generated to justify the number of non-jobs that have been created.

citation?

& how much do Tesco's spend when buying a photocopier?
surely thats the comparison thats being made?

movingforward2010

Public money is also used in the private sector to top up the measly wages of private sector employees in the form of working tax credits.

Tesco makes billions of pounds profit and pays its staff £5.73 an hour, so low that you as a tax payer has to 'top it up' so they can actually afford to live

StevieJ

wxmlad wrote: »

Hey I've got a plan

Lets cut all the public sector jobs, then pay private firms double to do the same work. This way when they pay their staff it will look like they are being paid from the private sector, but really it will be public money. Also all it will create loads more fat cats. As long as it doesn't say 'public sector' no one will know !
What ya think?

Well the Tories did it last time :rotfl:

bendix

Can't find it. I heard it on a radio report two Fridays ago.

However, if you want the bigger picture . try this.

http://www.publicservice.co.uk/news_story.asp?id=10492

StevieJ

bendix wrote: »

I think the point is that if you left it to private sector organisation to do the work, they would make rational decisions and decide half the work didn't - in fact - need to be done.

Maybe, but knowing the private sector they would still charge for it :eek:

mewbie_2

I'm a bit of an old lefty, agree with looking after the needy, public services, etc. But I'm sorry to say that I don't want to pay any more tax regardless of what cuts might otherwise be necessary.

I've had enough of hearing about generations being out of work. Of people being unable / unwilling to accept doing crap jobs, and then having the nerve to complain about immigrants doing it.

imo - this country needs business, it needs entrepeneurs, it needs successful enterprise. It doesn't need any more tax.

Labours had long enough, and enough money to convert rhetoric into reality. The truth is that it was built of lies and deceipt, and the very few gains have been outweighed by the Brown and Blair double act of tax and spin.

ILW

wxmlad wrote: »

Public money is also used in the private sector to top up the measly wages of private sector employees in the form of working tax credits.

Tesco makes billions of pounds profit and pays its staff £5.73 an hour, so low that you as a tax payer has to 'top it up' so they can actually afford to live

Which is just plain crazy (but Gordon loves it)
If these subsidies were taken away, employers would have to pay more to get anyone to work for them (assuming the government stops making it more lucrative to stay on the dole)

bendix

wxmlad wrote: »

Public money is also used in the private sector to top up the measly wages of private sector employees in the form of working tax credits.

Tesco makes billions of pounds profit and pays its staff £5.73 an hour, so low that you as a tax payer has to 'top it up' so they can actually afford to live

Different argument completely, but you're right. Cut working tax credits too. Totally unnecessary.

If people want to profit from Tesco's greed, let them do what I do. Instead of going to tesco to buy eightpacks of cheap lager or lottery tickets, buy Tesco shares instead.

Easy, isnt it?

movingforward2010

bendix wrote: »

Different argument completely, but you're right. Cut working tax credits too. Totally unnecessary.

When I started working for the DWP my wage was so low I was entitled to working tax credits as single person, yet some on this board have told me im over paid