Tory cuts could be mighty unpleasant

StevieJ

LauraW10 wrote: »

Not with me it wouldn't. I love the beeb. I hate adverts and I love the BBC News web site.

Not to mention I-player.

Old_Slaphead

wxmlad wrote: »

dont expect it to cost any less matey;) and most front line staff are on a low wage now

Says who?

Police constables £35000+OT+Pension + retire at 50 or 55
Teachers averaging £40,000+ Pension+Great Hols
Nurses £26000-£30000+ Pension

dopester

Knowing their jobs, I'm pretty convinced an early 40s couple I'm neighbours with are pulling in near £190K between them from the public sector. Non jobs as far as I'm concerned... or 750% overpaid.

Chainsaws, axes, scapels... it has to be taken to the overpaid waste in the public sector.

Close a few offices; start a few lock-outs; slash their pay, cut all the non-job shenanigans; skim their pension fund entitlement.

movingforward2010

The_White_Horse wrote: »

right, seeing as I work in the public sector, I am off home. gotta make sure i am out of the building at 5.30pm as that is when my day ends. If I am leaving my desk at 5.30pm and don't get out the door until 5.33pm then I may have to put in a claim for those extra three minutes.

I wouldn't be surprised if you did try to claim, as you seem to expect your employer to pay you for spending time posting on public forums when your supposed to be working I work in the public sector and I don't do this.
Perhaps your job is one your employer needs to cut?

movingforward2010

dopester wrote: »

Knowing their jobs, I'm pretty convinced an early 40s couple I'm neighbours with are pulling in near £190K between them from the public sector. Non jobs as far as I'm concerned... or 750% overpaid.

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And what are their 'non-jobs'?

mewbie_2

wxmlad wrote: »

And what are their 'non-jobs'?

Who knows? At 190k a year for probably a couple of graduate failures (none of these people are very intelligent) I suspect it's all very cosy. Quite probably one got a job and then employed the other one - councils are rife with nepotism. Given that it is my RATES and my TAXES payign for them I am deciding that actually I don't mind paying them about half of that for starters. If they are so damn good that they need to be paid that much to attract the top talent (oh my sainted @ss), then lets see if the real world is prepared to pay them for being management gurus.

I am getting quite angry about this. Cameron will have to bring in a policy of eating every other newborn before I reconsider voting Tory. Time now to cut the gravy train.

dopester

wxmlad wrote: »

And what are their 'non-jobs'?

One is high up in a unit which tries to protect welfare of chav kids.

You know.. pandering to all the problems which have only got ever worse due to the perverse nature of the benefit system rewarding slumish behaviours like having loads of kids on benefits. Better paid than working full time in many instances. Shannon Matthews types. Labour's dream.

PaulW1965

Everyone seems at odds over the best timing to cut their deficits

French President Nicolas Sarkozy says that even with a record budget deficit, France needs to spend more borrowed money to kick start economic growth. Promising a “grand loan” to finance spending on everything from Paris’s rail system to new supercomputers, Sarkozy is set to swell a budget shortfall that already is the highest since 1959, the year after France’s postwar government collapsed and Charles de Gaulle took power.
Sarkozy’s borrowing proposal puts him at odds with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, who say they intend to rein in deficits swollen by the recession. The risk is that Sarkozy’s penchant for “investing” may spook bond investors even as they improve earnings prospects for companies such as Bouygues SA and Electricite de France SA. It may even undermine France’s top credit rating.
“France is in a dreadful debt dynamic,” said Guillaume Sciard, who oversees 3 billion euros ($4.4 billion) of bonds at Barclays Wealth Managers France in Paris. “France will lose its AAA rating by 2012. In Europe, Germany may be the last to potentially keep its AAA.”

PaulW1965

Another quote here from Martin Wolf in the FT (too new to post a link:rolleyes:)

Why it is still too early to start withdrawing stimulus FT September 8 2009

“Our unprecedented, decisive and concerted policy action has helped to arrest the decline and boost global demand.” Thus did the finance ministers and central bank governors of the Group of 20 leading high-income and emerging economies pat themselves on the back over the weekend. They were right. The response to the crisis was both essential and successful. But it is still too early to declare victory.

Now suppose that, instead of keeping calm, the authorities are frightened into premature monetary and fiscal tightening. Given the extreme fragility of the private sector, that could cause another economic downturn. The inevitable result would be another round of emergency fiscal and monetary measures. The point is fundamental: exceptional monetary and fiscal measures are not the root cause of the danger. The weakness of the private economy is at its root. The policy measures are a consequence.

LydiaJ

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

Says who?

Police constables £35000+OT+Pension + retire at 50 or 55
Teachers averaging £40,000+ Pension+Great Hols
Nurses £26000-£30000+ Pension

I think police deserve higher salaries than your average office worker because of the nature of the job and the risks entailed.
£26-£30k doesn't seem excessive for nurses either, considering the responsibility and the shift work.
I find £40k+ quite hard to believe as average for teachers. The top of the main scale isn't much over £30k outside London. Have you got a citation for your figure?