MSE News: Tory Conference: State pension age could rise early

i8change

Originally Posted by marklv
So what if I do?

You would be fairly typical. But some don't like free thought!

1. 81% of people agree that the Government should substantially reduce immigration levels to Britain.
2. 60% of Asians believe that there are too many immigrants in Britain.
3. 77% agree that you cannot criticise the amount of immigration, or individual immigrants, without being labelled a racist.
4. 85% agree that immigration is putting too much pressure on public services.
5. 45% of the Black respondents felt that there was too much immigration into Britain.
6. 76% of people agree that Britain is overcrowded.
7. 62% of people think that Britain will soon lose its unique identity if immigration continues as it is.
8. 76% think that there is, a fair amount (52%) or a great deal (24%), of tension between races and nationalities.

1. YouGov, November 2007
2. BBC Asian Network poll April 2005
3. Populus for the BBC March 2008
4. YouGov, November 2007
5. MORI, January 2007, cited in “Our Shared Future”, Commission on Integration and Cohesion, 14 June 2007, para. 2.42
6. YouGov, January 2007
7. ORB, November 2007
8. MORI Poll for BBC April 2008

bendix

It's always easy to see when marklv has ran out of debating space - he reverts to one line playground retorts like 'so what if I am, what about you.'

To address your points specifically.

No, I do not profress to be liberal at all. I am a libertarian neo-conservative, although I am relatively liberal on some social issues such as abortion or capital punishment. But I am, at least honest about it and my views - while some may consider them harsh - are at least consistent and do not waiver depending on how they will impact me.

EVERY single view you express is tainted with self-interest. You are fiercely defensive of public sector pensions, now that you have joined the public sector yourself. Yesterday you supported the more hawkish policy of bringing forward the extension the qualifying age for state pensions because - naturally - it doesn't affect you personally, does it?

You lost credibility here months ago with your ill-informed and self-interested rubbish. By exposing yourself as a closet bigot too, you are now completely beyond the pale.

bendix

i8change wrote: »

You would be fairly typical. But some don't like free thought!

One can always judge people by the company they keep. You're in great company marklv.

Harry_Powell

palefountain wrote: »

What a crass statement to make! You imply that all people in lower paid jobs have no ambition, no self belief and, most shockingly, no work ethic!! There are many many people: Road cleaners, shop asistants, waiters, hospital auxillary staff etc etc... who have a great work ethic. Could you live in your rarified position without these people? I think not. If people are losing pride in their work it's because of people like you looking down on them. It's these lower paid people who will always struggle to meet their pension needs as they have less non essentional spare cash, and it is also these same people who will struggle to get the best financial advise on what to do with any spare cash (good advise invariably costs money - apart from on here of course).

I'm honoured that the first post you made on MSE in over a year and a half is a reply to me.

The only reason I can think of why someone with a large amount of ambition, self-belief and work ethic would remain in a lower paid job is convenience, which still fits into my argument that everyone finds their own level. In this case, they have reached the right level of income vs convenience.

i8change

Please tell us the problem you have with immigrants, it would help if you were as detailed and as descriptive as possible.

I would n't waste your time answering, marklv. The majority understand all too well what you mean.

bendix

i8change wrote: »

I would n't waste your time answering, marklv. The majority understand all too well what you mean.

Do you have some kind of software which alerts you to discussions about immigration?

You only ever contribute to those. I wonder why?

I wonder how the pseudo-liberal marklv will react to being linked closely with you. Perhaps rather like the shame-faced Conservatives do when asked about their decision to share platforms with those dodgy right wing parties in the EU.

This should be fun . .

marklv

Harry_Powell wrote: »

Please tell us the problem you have with immigrants, it would help if you were as detailed and as descriptive as possible.

Yes? Really? And give you ammunition with which to carry out personal attacks against me? Forget it.

TMFTP

Not "personal." Just "fact-based."

But then - you've always been a bit shy of facts.

bendix

It does seem a rather strange thing to avoid expressing your real views for fear that others will attack you for them?

Are you ashamed of your views, marklv? Or do you just feel you can't defend them? Genuine question.

marklv

bendix wrote: »

It's always easy to see when marklv has ran out of debating space - he reverts to one line playground retorts like 'so what if I am, what about you.'

To address your points specifically.

No, I do not profress to be liberal at all. I am a libertarian neo-conservative, although I am relatively liberal on some social issues such as abortion or capital punishment. But I am, at least honest about it and my views - while some may consider them harsh - are at least consistent and do not waiver depending on how they will impact me.

EVERY single view you express is tainted with self-interest. You are fiercely defensive of public sector pensions, now that you have joined the public sector yourself. Yesterday you supported the more hawkish policy of bringing forward the extension the qualifying age for state pensions because - naturally - it doesn't affect you personally, does it?

You lost credibility here months ago with your ill-informed and self-interested rubbish. By exposing yourself as a closet bigot too, you are now completely beyond the pale.

Libertarian neo-conservative. Not so long ago this would have a paradoxical phrase, belonging more in the politics of California than the UK. British conservatism used to be about patriotism, tradition, law and order, Christian values and national identity, with a strong paternalistic concern for the unfortunates of our society. Then a bunch of plutocratic liberal-libertarians infiltrated the party and turned it into a party of big business, purely looking after the interests of big business alone. All the traditional social policy was jettisoned in favour of what was the latest flavour of the month - 'anything goes' and all that. The focus moved to monetarist economics and a denial of the Keynesian approach that all parties in the post-war era had agreed was the only workable way to keep the economy moving and people employed. The result: mass unemployment, economic retrenchment and jobs going off to India and China at the rate of knots.

Am I opposed to immigration? Not if it's beneficial (and it usually isn't), but importing millions of people from the third world just because they are the only ones to do menial jobs for peanuts is not the way forward. And I resent work permits being dished out like confetti to Indian IT staff who - again - will work for 1/10th of a UK salary. What about the rights of British workers? Do we not matter? Whatever happened to national self-interest and pride?