MSE News: Tory Conference: State pension age could rise early

Oldernotwiser

marklv wrote: »

£60 a week is hardly cushy. I've been there and bought the T-shirt, have you? You need to differentiate between genuine people and the immigrant family with 10 kids who claims thousands every week in benefits. Don't tar every benefit claimant with the same brush.


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I have a lot of sympathy for many of your views but I lose much of this when you make ignorant, racist remarks like this!

Your comments about claimants "only" receiving £60 a week are also disingenuos as you seem to ignore the large sums that many people receive in rent and council tax help. Do you realise that a single, unemployed 25 year old, living in central London, can receive over £370 per week in rental costs, in addition to council tax and the £60 that you mention so disparagingly?

Harry_Powell

marklv wrote: »

Yes, there are some who need firmer persuasion to be more proactive in looking for work, of course. I'm not tarring every immigrant with the same brush - it won't be long before you accuse me of being a BNP supporter! I just mentioned the 'immigrant family' because sadly, this seems to be all too common. The same applies to any family where the parents seem to breed in order to claim more benefits.

Why did you even mention the word 'immigrant' if the same applied to any family? You obviously have an issue with immigration or you would not have mentioned it.

bendix

Harry_Powell wrote: »

Why did you even mention the word 'immigrant' if the same applied to any family? You obviously have an issue with immigration or you would not have mentioned it.

As I said, his slip really showed there.

He's a typical Little-Englander. Professing to be liberal and caring on one hand (but only where it benefits him, you notice). Severe on the other where it doesnt affect him (he supports bringing forward the extra year before you get state pension because naturally he doesnt get caught up in that), and all sprinkled with an undercurrent of innate racism because - let's face it - them darkies aren't like us, are they?

seven-day-weekend

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

I'm not sure that this is totally true. My parents were born during WW1, working class with little education and no financial savvy and they were well aware of the importance of not relying on the state pension.

My dad was a postman and when I (as a tactless teenager) asked why he didn't get a better paid job, I was always told that the GPO was a very good job because it was secure and had a pension with it.

Yes I agree ONW, there were thos public-owned companies that had decent pensions, and my parents would have done that if they could.

However, in the case of my parents, born in 1904 and 1908, my disabled dad was working as a semi-skilled operative in a factory on permanent nights, my mum did not go out to work for various reasons related to her health and there was never any opportunity to get a 'good job with a pension'.

There were no extra benefits if you were disabled in those days, no tax credits and if you were in my dad's position, no company pension. My parents were in their forties when I was born and had already brought up two children on a tiny wage

So often people did not have the money, or the opportunity to provide a private pension. In fact, my parents thought those who did were 'well off'.

marklv

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

I have a lot of sympathy for many of your views but I lose much of this when you make ignorant, racist remarks like this!

Your comments about claimants "only" receiving £60 a week are also disingenuos as you seem to ignore the large sums that many people receive in rent and council tax help. Do you realise that a single, unemployed 25 year old, living in central London, can receive over £370 per week in rental costs, in addition to council tax and the £60 that you mention so disparagingly?

I was wondering when the politically correct brigade would open their stupid mouths. It seems I didn't have to wait long. :rotfl:

margaretclare

Working longer would not have bothered DH and me, because we both worked until we were 67.

Re immigrants, he's a 3rd generation immigrant whose grandparents fled here, running for their lives. They worked and so have every one of their descendants to the present day.

palefountain_2

Harry_Powell wrote: »

Some people at my school went onto University, some people went onto prison and the rest fell somewhere in between, we all had similar backgrounds. People find their own level in life based on their self belief, ambition and work ethic.

What a crass statement to make! You imply that all people in lower paid jobs have no ambition, no self belief and, most shockingly, no work ethic!! There are many many people: Road cleaners, shop asistants, waiters, hospital auxillary staff etc etc... who have a great work ethic. Could you live in your rarified position without these people? I think not. If people are losing pride in their work it's because of people like you looking down on them. It's these lower paid people who will always struggle to meet their pension needs as they have less non essentional spare cash, and it is also these same people who will struggle to get the best financial advise on what to do with any spare cash (good advise invariably costs money - apart from on here of course).

marklv

Harry_Powell wrote: »

Why did you even mention the word 'immigrant' if the same applied to any family? You obviously have an issue with immigration or you would not have mentioned it.

So what if I do?

marklv

bendix wrote: »

As I said, his slip really showed there.

He's a typical Little-Englander. Professing to be liberal and caring on one hand (but only where it benefits him, you notice). Severe on the other where it doesnt affect him (he supports bringing forward the extra year before you get state pension because naturally he doesnt get caught up in that), and all sprinkled with an undercurrent of innate racism because - let's face it - them darkies aren't like us, are they?

Pot calling the kettle black, I believe? :rolleyes:

Harry_Powell

Harry_Powell wrote: »

You obviously have an issue with immigration or you would not have mentioned it.

marklv wrote: »

So what if I do?

Please tell us the problem you have with immigrants, it would help if you were as detailed and as descriptive as possible.