Housing Shortfall approaching 1 million

dopester

StevieJ wrote: »

I bet Dopester is getting !!!!ed off living in his mums back bedroom

I'll confess it isn't always easy, but it's a good arrangement for all atm. She doesn't need a 4-bed house to herself anyway. I've got a reasonably separate area of the house to myself.

For the record I've already covered/paid £11.5K of bills on behalf of my Mum just during the past 12 months alone. Well actually that includes an end-of-term £7K loan balloon payment I took responsibility of paying for, and haven't actually paid a penny of yet.. 5 months after it was due. I normally pay my obligations promptly, but will settle this one when they decide to next bill for it. Also a £250 repair in house needing doing which was identified at the beginning of the week.. I'll be sorting out.

PasturesNew

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

the crash that failed to live up to expectations.

That was the one in 2003 ... this one's on cue, it's a bull trap

dopester

I'm not going to champion building lots of new-builds either. Depends of the economic prospects of an area. A local economy doesn't just run on new build houses alone, a few shops set up to service the newcomers, or building schools and hospitals to have teaching and nursing jobs. It is a more complicated... and unravelling in many areas already.

My view: high-tech densification - subsidised for those on benefits or who've lost their jobs and have little means. Much lower costs for occupier and requiring state benefit levels to be cut dramatically back to basic support levels... and more for people to study/live/do whatever.. but ultimately opportunity to join a new emerging economy.

That may be knowledge economy or something else.

Obviously I don't agree with all of this article below, most of it in fact.. but suspect they are right that more people are going to have to compromise on their current expectations.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/newhomes/6248079/Future-homes-Winning-the-space-race.html

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Worth bumping, given the current resurgence of housing shortage deniers.

Road_Hog

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Worth bumping, given the current resurgence of housing shortage deniers.

Typical Lefty Marxist term to refer to people who refute his position, as deniers, which is intrinsically linked to Holocaust deniers. A bit like climate change deniers, which used to be global warming, that is until we had over 10 straight years of temperature decline.

This sort of language is used to stifle debate and is the same tactic as calling anyone a racist that mentions that immigration might be a problem. Or the new racism, is that anyone that questions what is happening in the world and particularly the EU & the banking industry must be a conspiracy nutter.

The reason we have a problem with housing is that we've been importing about 600,000 people every year for the best part of 15 years (certainly since NuLab). The problem with that means that we have a net immigration of about 300,000 every year, which means that about every 3 years we need to build a new city the size of Birmingham.

Obviously that isn't going to happen and if it did it would be very bad for England. The result is that there is pressure to build on Green Belt which would be bad for the country. Obviously the people calling for the massive building of new homes have a vested financial interest in the industry.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Road_Hog wrote: »

we've been importing about 600,000 people every year for the best part of 15 years (certainly since NuLab). The problem with that means that we have a net immigration of about 300,000 every year, which means that about every 3 years we need to build a new city the size of Birmingham.

Obviously that isn't going to happen .

Pretty much hits the nail on the head.

So despite the anti-immigrant rant, at least you're not a housing shortage denier.

Turnbull2000

The Tories will back down on these planning proposals. It's pretty much guaranteed. The opposition is too vocal, too fierce and has too many connection to the Tories themselves. Housebuilding will remain low for the rest of the decade, I'm 95% certain of that.

Road_Hog

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Pretty much hits the nail on the head.

So despite the anti-immigrant rant, at least you're not a housing shortage denier.

No, we are running out of land which is no longer built. We are an over populated country. Our problem is not a lack of housing but a continuation of unfettered immigration which means that we end up with more people than we can house.

Your stupid little smilies at the end of your post just highlight your ignorance of a serious subject.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Road_Hog wrote: »

No, we are running out of land which is no longer built. We are an over populated country. Our problem is not a lack of housing but a continuation of unfettered immigration which means that we end up with more people than we can house.

Your stupid little smilies at the end of your post just highlight your ignorance of a serious subject.

Oh please.....

-Immigration is vital to the continued prosperity of our economy.

-Study after study has shown that immigrants are a net economic benefit to society.

-We are not an "overpopulated" country. Less than 5% of land is built on.

Road_Hog

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Oh please.....

-Immigration is vital to the continued prosperity of our economy.

Where on Earth do you drag that Lefty rubbish up. Our economy runs fine without immigration and we have 2.5 million unemployed so there is no shortage of workers.

The only people that tell you that immigration is vital, are the Lefty Marxists who want to break the country because they don't believe in sovereign countries and people like the CBI and their friends who want plenty of immigrants that will work for next to nothing and live cheek by jowl to survive, because it increases their profits not having to pay a living wage.