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Motorvating wrote: »Not wanting to sound rude, but you are incorrect. Shouting at people in the workplace in the manner as stated is bullying and Harasment if she feels it is, and she obviousley did.
Under the law employers must ensure their workers health, safety and
welfare at work by taking appropriate steps to prevent employees being
exposed to harm. There are specific laws and standards which apply or
have been used to deal with bullying, harassment.
She raised it with the supervisors manager who poo pooed it, so failling their duty of care, anther legal failure.
Look at DirectGov for employment law and in particular Bullying and Harassment and you will see this behaviouse would be construed as such.
I realise you are trying to help, but I must repeat that I don't think it is helpful to the OP to be encouraged to believe that what she has suffered is bullying and harassment. It was rude, inappropriate behaviour, certainly, but far from bullying and harassment.
It would benefit the OP's future career far more to learn to deal with incidents like this with a proportionate level of response, rather than be encouraged to start shouting about breaches in Health in Safety rules and harassment on her first day.0 -
To be honest, it sounds to me like you feel as though you're above being on a till, and so resent being told off. You seem to think that they will think themselves lucky to have such an employee who is worthy of bigger things than being sat on a till, and that they'll regret talking to you in such a terrible way, and that they'll beg you to return to the job. The truth is, you'll be lucky if they take you back and they'll fill the vacancy super quick as there's plenty of other people out there willing to do it. Sit back and wait til you finish your degree, when you'll be headhunted for a higher management job. Good luck with that.0
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Motorvating wrote: »The young lady said she shouted at her three times, she made no mention of being spoken to harshley, only shouted at. This disturbed her so much she felt she could not stay in the premises.
Another supervisor mentions a bullying episode she had at the company.
The manager she reported it to has a legal duty of care to look into the incident and make sure this kind of behaviour does not take place. He failed to do so and told her she would probably apologise later. This is a clear failure of the companies duty of care.
The three incidents point to a working inviroment where bullying is allowed to go unchecked.
The word "shouting" is quite subjective. I doubt the Supervisor screamed at her/him? at the top of her voice in a public place in the store. More likely she was curt and harsh, with her voice raised. Again, it is all in the interpretation. The other Supervisor may have been the workplace moaner.....there is one everywhere.
The Manager seeemed to me to be trying to calm the situation down by offering mittigation for the actions of the woman, and telling the OP she would probably apologise. He may well have intended speaking to her on the matter, how can we know? Had he swung the bullying policy into action he would imo have been escalating the problem too quickly without having had time to try to resolve it by another less formal manner.
So, I disagree that the OP has shown bullying took place, or that it is a clear cut case of a workplace where bullying is allowed to go unchecked. I think it is unfair to jump that conclusion, as that cannot be construed by one isolated incident.
It may be that you are correct, equally it may be that the OP is young, inexperienced and a bit of a drama queen. Either conclusion is equally unfair as none of us know both sides of the story.
ETA.. just checked the first post and apparently the OP is a young man, not a young lady.0 -
Opinions? Stop moaning about nothing. Even when you've asked your question you carry on moaning...and another thing...also....anyway...
Yes.its the other way around, they would be lucky if i offered to go back in after the way i was treated, i have decided not to go back as i dont deserve to get treated like that, the other people on the iduction with me didnt talk, they were like zombies, and 2 turned up really late, i feel that i was out of place there, they are probably used to having to shout at staff to get them to do anything, but i dont find being shouted out motivating
i dont have an asda anywhere near me, if i was going to buy shoes, i wouldnt just buy any old pair, i would have to look for a good pair 1st and i did not have time to do that, plus she brought up things on the 2nd day she didnt bring up on the 1st day
2nd of all, im not signing on, i live at home with my parents, i dont claim benefits, obvioiusly if i was in a job that paid my bills,rent etc... then i would stay, but i am not desperate enough for the job that i am going to put up with being spoken to like that over something i said i would fix but didnt have time, you cant be serious saying i should have gone and got shoes between 5:30pm one day and 11:00am the next.....i didnt see why it was so urgent, especially if i was on the till and no-one could see my shoes anyway! i would have done it by the next week
they are obviously desperate to fill the tills, i was not on a till by myself, i was till trained and sharing a till with someone else, they did not make it clear with me if that was only the case on the 1st day or if i would be on my own till the 2nd, they didnt make that clear to me either, i didnt expect to be put on tills so early myself, i thought i would start on the shop floor then be till trained, this store in question is a very busy, budget clothes shop, if they out me on the tills the 1st/2nd day then maybe its is saying something about the company? i felt thrown in at the deep end tbh
i already said i didnt just walk out the door after the incident, i went straight upstairs to speak to the store manager, who just swept the situation under the rug and was telling me she would appoligise later because she was probably in a bad mood or something - you dont take out your 'bad mood' on the staff, i TRIED to get the situation sorted by management but they did not listen - and i decided that that is not the sort of place i want to work in and i told him that.... i told him i didnt think i could work there and i asked for my bag and then i left, i didnt just disappear
im not doing part time work for the money, i dont need the money i was just trying to get some employment to put on my cv, i dont see why i should have to spend month and months in misery being made to feel like !!!!! just to put it on a cv when i am doing a degree and have other things going on in my life anyway...
i must make it clear that if i had the job for longer, of course i wouldnt have just walked out...it was my 2nd morning and i saw the store managers and supervisors true colours and decide to get out while i could
i was made to feel like a spectacle when she was calling other supervisors over to look at me and saying "look at his uniform, he cant go on the tills like that!!!" she brought other supervisors into it as well and it made me feel awful, but then the store manager said my uniform was fine...she i cant understand why she thought it was so bad yet the manager didnt....it just all came as a shock
i knew my post was going to divide people, there are people that are going to say "toughen up, get used to it, this is what its like" but others will think "good for you for not putting up with it and having enought self respect and self worth to not have to think thats what you should expect from work" i dont believe anyone should have to be forced to do a job where staff are intimidating/bullying, its not good for employees health...
also, i think i need to get it clear that i WANTED to work there, not NEEDED to work there, hence why i didnt let myself be bullied by staff as i didnt NEED the job and i didnt NEED to be treated like that
i know its the recession and people cant find work but feel free to take the position i left! see how you find it, oh and as for the cv comments, im just going to leave it out of my cv
what i am going to do is buy a pair of nice black shoes and a pair of nice black trousers (i am not just going to buy the 1st/cheapest pair of black shoes i can find, i'll buy something i feel good in) before i apply for anything else, i ought to own a pair of black shoes and black trousers anyway, so at least they are there if i ever need them, i suppose this experience has taught me something, its just that in the field that i am studying in (animal management) i havnt been required ever to wear black shoes or trousers....so i simply didnt own any
plus can i make a point - the job came up and i started way sooner than i had expected it too - i just handed in my application of the off-chance there wasnt a vacancy advertised, they could have helped by proving the FULL LIST of uniform BEFORE i started, all they told me was the colour of shirt before i started, so how was i supposed to prepare? i feel like i was set up to fail, also we are forgetting the bag incident, when i asked her where i could leave my bag thats when she 1st started shouting at me...when it was her who took me through the induction the day before....why can i not ask a question without being yelled at? who would want to work somewhere like that? it wasnt just a case of my shoes that made me leave, it was the bag thing, shoes thing, trousers thing (which was news to me as she didnt have a problem with them the day before) then the managers not giving a toss...dont forget it all added up, this is a company that does not provide a uniform yet she was having me a go about it on the 2nd morning when i only got the full list the day before and was in the store until it closed...isnt that a contradiction and should have allowed me a week to get it sorted (keeping in mind i volunteer and go to university also)
sorry if there are any typos in this, i wrote it quickly as there was a lot to repond to, you get the jist of what i mean anyway- You are too far up yourself
- You have an attitude
- You don't want to work
- You'll still be in the same situation if you get a degree
Top tip - find a reason to do something instead of 10 excuses why you can't.0 -
The OP didn't even need to go to Asda, he could have just bought some black shoes from the Primark he worked at!0
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Rockporkchop wrote: »The OP didn't even need to go to Asda, he could have just bought some black shoes from the Primark he worked at!
Do you know, I thought exactly the same thing!!!:D0 -
Phew - I bet they were sweating for a while in case you took them to tribunbal.its the other way around, they would be lucky if i offered to go back in after the way i was treated, i have decided not to go back as i dont deserve to get treated like that
I'm sure if you put the effort in you could improve to somewhere near the standard of the other two.the other people on the iduction with me didnt talk, they were like zombies, and 2 turned up really late, i feel that i was out of place there, they are probably used to having to shout at staff to get them to do anything, but i dont find being shouted out motivating
No, of course - what would Mummy and Daddy say if you were late for tea or bed.i dont have an asda anywhere near me, if i was going to buy shoes, i wouldnt just buy any old pair, i would have to look for a good pair 1st and i did not have time to do that, plus she brought up things on the 2nd day she didnt bring up on the 1st day
2nd of all, im not signing on, i live at home with my parents, i dont claim benefits, obvioiusly if i was in a job that paid my bills,rent etc... then i would stay, but i am not desperate enough for the job that i am going to put up with being spoken to like that over something i said i would fix but didnt have time, you cant be serious saying i should have gone and got shoes between 5:30pm one day and 11:00am the next.....i didnt see why it was so urgent, especially if i was on the till and no-one could see my shoes anyway! i would have done it by the next week
Obviously VERY desperate.....if I were you I should step back into Mummies & Daddies cocoon, the real is, well ...real.they are obviously desperate to fill the tills, ..... i felt thrown in at the deep end tbh
AKA lazyim not doing part time work for the money, i dont need the money i was just trying to get some employment to put on my cv, i dont see why i should have to spend month and months in misery being made to feel like !!!!! just to put it on a cv when i am doing a degree and have other things going on in my life anyway...
That wouldn't take muchi was made to feel like a spectacle
Into those that could or couldn't stay awake reading it...comedy value is keeping me in the formeri knew my post was going to divide people, there are people that are going to say "toughen up, get used to it, this is what its like" but others will think "good for you for not putting up with it ....
I suppose it is a bit much to expect someone studying for a degree to have sense enough to own a pair of black shoes when in the event they may be needed for an interview/job.what i am going to do is buy a pair of nice black shoes and a pair of nice black trousers (i am not just going to buy the 1st/cheapest pair of black shoes i can find, i'll buy something i feel good in) before i apply for anything else, i ought to own a pair of black shoes and black trousers anyway, so at least they are there if i ever need them, i suppose this experience has taught me something, its just that in the field that i am studying in (animal management) i havnt been required ever to wear black shoes or trousers....so i simply didnt own any
Interesting that you would want experience in [STRIKE]TK Max[/STRIKE] a busy discount store on your CV. When you've got the degree and are qualified to muck out stables, will they find any relevance in your retail fiasco?
STUDENTPHIL - is this you trolling after a bad [near work] experience:Dplus can i make a point - the job came up and i started way sooner than i had expected it too - i just handed in my application of the off-chance there wasnt a vacancy advertised, they could have helped by proving the FULL LIST of uniform BEFORE i started, all they told me was the colour of shirt before i started, so how was i supposed to prepare? i feel like i was set up to fail, also we are forgetting the bag incident, when i asked her where i could leave my bag thats when she 1st started shouting at me...when it was her who took me through the induction the day before....why can i not ask a question without being yelled at? who would want to work somewhere like that? it wasnt just a case of my shoes that made me leave, it was the bag thing, shoes thing, trousers thing (which was news to me as she didnt have a problem with them the day before) then the managers not giving a toss...dont forget it all added up, this is a company that does not provide a uniform yet she was having me a go about it on the 2nd morning when i only got the full list the day before and was in the store until it closed...isnt that a contradiction and should have allowed me a week to get it sorted (keeping in mind i volunteer and go to university also)
sorry if there are any typos in this, i wrote it quickly as there was a lot to repond to, you get the jist of what i mean anyway0 -
Based on similar experience of having had same style of working environments my opinion is that if you stay in this job you will learn what humility means, this form of conditioning may result in you putting up with crap eventually all your life from people just to 'pay the mortgage' or feed the kids.
Seeing as you have made the decision not to return, there is not anything left to say other than I wish to let you know that bullying, sex discrimination, racism etc is not only found in non-graduate jobs, I have yet to work in a place where if you put me on someone's case long enough I could have a fresh complaint every day about someone.
I would have just stayed in the toilet until my time was finished and then clocked off - I did this many years whilst night shift security, I still have the red mark on my bum. If they would complain about where I was, (nobody ever noticed me at work) id be self signed off for a week for diarrhea - enough time to find yourself a comfy pair of hush puppys or Clarks.0 -
The OP really annoyed me.
Im having to end my maternity leave early to go back to work and then get a second job. I've literally applied to everywhere and I'll accept anything as long as it means that I can provide for my family. Im also putting myself through college. My income is also too high for benefits etc except a minimal amount of tax credits and CHB.
I have always worked (well since I was 15; now 21) and Im proud of the things ive bought myself (my car, my sofa, general stuff for my house) and I really hate it when my mum "helps me out" bless her.
So it really annoys me when people walk out of jobs b'cos there being bullied?? By walking out they proved the supervisor right.
They've obviously never wanted for anything.
Join the real world where mummy and daddy dont pay for the mortgage, bills and credit cards!!!0
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