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asininity

Donnie wrote: »

In your hysteria, I see that you thanked me for my post. That was magnanimous of you.

I thanked you for proving my points. If you look through some of my posts I've done it in the past with others I've been arguing with.

You are clearly lacking the basic skills of comprehension.

I would argument that its you with a clear problem with reality, not happy that your fantasy world is falling apart.

I asked if all Windows software(as in the software that the student would need to use) install on UBUNTU. Nowhere did I suggest that Linux was Windows....maybe only in your fevered brain.

I'll repeat linux isn't windows you moron, why would you want to install windows software on linux? Linux comes with its own software. And so far you've failed to mention what software a student would need that isn't included in linux. The last basis for your argument is falling apart.

So now you have confirmed that your laptop is made by Clevo, but in your previous post you accused me of making it up. You are really appearing to be...unwell.

You appear to be more moronic than ever the make of the laptop was never in question, the basis of you argument was.

I did put it straight on the Internet, in order to download updates.

Hope you had security dont want it getting sick.

No bad experience with Linux...didn't even try it. Updated it and then removed it. No need to have it when I can install XP for ease of use.
Why should I make my life more complicated than is necessary?

Proven another of my points you have no idea what you are speaking about. You have no basis to your claims, no experience in what you are talking about, are talking out your !!!. Usual windoze fanatic talking of things beyond his little experience in computing and also explains you ignorance which is getting a little annoying but you are still forgiven.

I don't need PC Decrapifier, I can remove programs myself.

I like it automated hate to waste my time with inferior software.

Actually you didn't actually mention all the steps involved...you tried to deceive by telling us "a simple click of the mouse" Liar.

Have you ever done it? Codecs are installed by a click of a mouse as is mentioned in your post. Want to play encrypted movies without installing anything (the instructions of which are so simple you might be able to do them) try Mint which is based on Ubuntu but is a little less strict with propriety software.

As to Windows not recognising a format.... what format would I need to "trawl the Internet" in order to find?

Anything that isn't supported by windows media player obviously out of the box which includes avi files, you really are stupid.

Have not had to do that in all my days of using the Internet. Plus you are trying to make it sound as if Linux and UBUNTU has always has the same functionality.

I'm trying nothing of the sort when have I stated its always been this easy? Are you making up more stuff in an effort to justify your baseless claims... yes you are. Never mind.

If you have to trawl the Internet when installing Windows....maybe it's you who does not know what she is doing.

Stop being feeble minded, its like talking to a 5 year old. Windows systems comes with hardly any software, most of what it does come with is useless. You have to trawl the internet for decent stuff which is all in one place on linux.

I wouldn't suggest it because it's an idiotic idea.

I would suggest that arguing a position baseless in experience and fact is an idiotic idea as you have so capably proven you dimwitted cretin.

If you didn't expect it to be taken seriously, why did you post it?

I didn't take it seriously, because it was plainly idiotic. Just wanted to make sure that the OP was swayed by such foolishness.

Why not post it? Why post half the made up crap you've posted it make you look stupid. And I'm sure the OP is capable of making their own decisions, without your condescending arrogance.

Job done.

Really? Unlike yourself I'm not bothered if the OP took it seriously. I'm assuming that since you've ignored it every time I've mentioned it that the OP didn't take you up on your offer. Shame. Maybe the OP wanted a new computer after all, one that would be delivered.

This will all be gone by tomorrow anyway. Hope you had some fun. Now run along and spend some time with your partner.

I agree, unlike your laptop suggestion which is still sitting on fleabay not sold out as you promised it would be within 24hrs of you mentioning it.

Donnie

asininity wrote: »

I thanked you for proving my points. If you look through some of my posts I've done it in the past with others I've been arguing with.
Anything that isn't supported by windows media player obviously out of the box which includes avi files, you really are stupid.

The only person who thinks you are right...is you.

You have to 'trawl through the Internet' to find a codec for .avi files?? If so, you are either the complete idiot or you are lying again in order to bolster your argument.

It's amusing that you talk about a learning curve with Linux, but you don't appear to have gained the same knowledge of Windows...if you are needing to "trawl the the Internet" to find a codec.

Do you think that you have put forward an intelligent argument?

Your retorts are simply assinine. I can only imagine that you are still in school.

You write about "arguing with people" as if you are proud of it. :rolleyes:

All this to try to get away from your ludicrous suggestion to someone beginning their studies at university, of buying a no name laptop with no operating system for £300 and installing UBUNTU. It was beyond cretinous, especially with no knowledge of the student's capabilities or subjects to be studied.
Can you imagine? Deadlines to be reached and the poor girl is trying to figure out how to install Minitab 15 on UBUNTU....

BTW, the phrase is "As an aside note..", not "On a side note...". Cretin.

asininity

Donnie wrote: »

The only person who thinks you are right...is you.

The only person who can't plainly see I'm right is you, I'm assuming its due to that fantasy world you live in. Is it nice in the institution today? How was your “Flight”?

You have to 'trawl through the Internet' to find a codec for .avi files?? If so, you are either the complete idiot or you are lying again in order to bolster your argument.

I was speaking from the point of view of your fantasy student who according to you happens to be very dumb, cant work things out for themselves, and needs things very very very easy. If windows media player doesn't recognise a file format what does it do? Points you to the internet, does it not? And you fantasy student who is very dumb has to find it. Whereas Mplayer finds the codec it needs and asks you if you want to install it very easy (hard as you might find this to believe).

It's amusing that you talk about a learning curve with Linux, but you don't appear to have gained the same knowledge of Windows...if you are needing to "trawl the the Internet" to find a codec.

Simply putting myself in the shoes of you very dull fantasy student who according to you cant learn anything. Which seems to me quite contradictory but its you fantasy.

Do you think that you have put forward an intelligent argument?

No an intelligent defence from an idiotic non-sense baseless argument from a moronic windoze fanatic.

Your retorts are simply assinine. I can only imagine that you are still in school.

Its “asinine” moron.

You write about "arguing with people" as if you are proud of it. :rolleyes:

Any good discussion is an argument. Discussion just sounds more civilised.

All this to try to get away from your ludicrous suggestion to someone beginning their studies at university, of buying a no name laptop with no operating system for £300 and installing UBUNTU. It was beyond cretinous, especially with no knowledge of the student's capabilities or subjects to be studied.

You back in cuckoo land again? Why are you trying to make out that a small comment at the bottom of my main post is the whole of the post??? Anyone can go back and see that its not. The reason why you've got such a big problem with that little part is that you are a windoze fanatic and as such you're scared of the unknown.


And what is beyond cretinous is basing your whole argument on something in which you have no experience, which is why you are having trouble because you dont know what you're talking about.

Can you imagine? Deadlines to be reached and the poor girl is trying to figure out how to install Minitab 15 on UBUNTU....

I can only imagine you doing that as you can't seem to get it into your considerably dimwitted head that linux is not windows.


Now the “poor girl” (fantasy as she is) is probably considerably more intelligence than you and realises this and installs this. Now I will admit that windows has a broader software base (which also includes practically all viruses etc), it should have it holds 90%ish of the market. But we're talking about an average student are we not? Find another obscure program this fantasy average student will need.

BTW, the phrase is "As an aside note..", not "On a side note...". Cretin.

BTW this is what I wrote see any similarities?:

asininity wrote: »

As a side note THIS is worth a look all you need is a ubuntu cd.

Its still there to be read and has not been edited, whats you point????? Tend to find petty idiots like yourself start picking apart grammar when loosing a “discussion”. Its a forum not an english grammar exam. I dont care if I make spelling mistakes, you still understand what I'm writing.

Anyway... on a side note:


Your argument.


The laptop is rubbish because its not a well know brand and has no OS and has a slower CPU. (Proven baseless and untrue)


Linux is not as capable a windoze, and is really really hard. (Proven baseless and untrue)


To hide the fact you over reacted to a small part at the bottom of my main post you've made up a fantasy (I say fantasy due to the nature with which this student changes to fit in with you arguments) thick average student who uses statistical analysing software. Stated that any laptop you recommend sells out within a 24hr period (which was wrong). Stated how hard and unusable linux is without having any experience using it, ie no basis to argue from. Continually asked if the OP took my advice (which as far as I'm aware was to do with acer laptops and extended warranties which is useless if she opted for a Dell) implying with the asking that the OP took yours which is not the case. Ignored various incidents were you were proven wrong and generally sprouted a bunch of crap.

Donnie

Nothing you write bares any scrutiny.
All of the laptops about which I've posted have sold out.

My argument?

No, it's not worth a look. You suggestion of Ubuntu is just irresponsible.

Can't imagine the amount of hassle her daughter would have in trying to install the necessary software for her studies, let alone having to install an OS that may not even install without adjustment to the BIOS.

So she'll need to buy a Vista disc to bring it up to spec. That will be another £65.

Plus it's from a not well known Taiwanese company and has a Celeron processor.

To what purpose this, when you can purchase a similar branded laptop fully set up

Where did I write that Linux was not capable?

I didn't disagree with the other parts of your original post. Happen to have an ACER laptop too..
But the nonsense of your recommendation to buy a laptop without an OS and to install UBUNTU was/is patently ridiculous.

It's just amusing and a little pathetic to see the amount of energy that you expend in trying to bolster your theory, when no one; including yourself, is convinced.

The fantasist that you speak of is yourself, if you think it is a viable option.

Interesting that you wrote that you've only ever bought ACER(and one Amilo), but now, all of a sudden you have a Clevo. You even have to go into the BIOS in order to install XP.
What about the support issues? Who will repair the laptop beyond the 12 month warranty? Who supports the warranty? What about the reliability and build quality of these machines?
These are questions to be answered concerning an unknown brand supplied by a single retailer.

You say you have one, so let us know.


I guess you missed the irony in !!!inine.

As a side note is not a spelling mistake, it's a grammatical error.

You can try to convince us all you like, but your side(sic) note was aimed at the OP.

I answered to discourage the OP from making a mistake. Happily, it wasn't even considered.

As to my earlier questions to you... with your obvious lack of social skills it is no surprise that you don't understand a rhetorical question.

I clearly already knew the answers to the questions that I asked.

Thick average student? Your words again, not mine.
I simply wrote that they won't want to be messing about try to learn about a new operating system and using different software than their counterparts whilst they are trying to study. If you can't understand that, you really are a moron.

It is simply your fantasy that the average University student would prefer to use Linux.

Now...I given you a little more rope...let's see what you do with it.

Jakg

asininity wrote: »

I'd take a celeron dual core over a pentium dual core any day

wat

As for the rest of this thread - :rotfl:

asininity

In a laptop I'd take celeron dual core (I'm obviously taking the newer models) over pentium any day. Like laptops to run cool and battery life is important to me.

asininity

Donnie wrote: »

Nothing you write bares any scrutiny.
All of the laptops about which I've posted have sold out.

My argument?

No, it's not worth a look. You suggestion of Ubuntu is just irresponsible.


Haven't actually stated how ubuntu is irresponsible, other than making up a fantasy overtly thick “average” student that uses statistical analysing software and is what ever you need this student to be to prove anything you want.

Can't imagine the amount of hassle her daughter would have in trying to install the necessary software for her studies, let alone having to install an OS that may not even install without adjustment to the BIOS.


Other that stating some obscure program that no average student would need you've failed to mention any software above and beyond office (which is my suggestion of what an average student will need) for which linux has openoffice to name one. You'll find XP doesn't install without BIOS adjustment. Linux actually installed without, so that bit was just FUD.

So she'll need to buy a Vista disc to bring it up to spec. That will be another £65.


My above comment proves this wrong so its not another £65.

Plus it's from a not well known Taiwanese company and has a Celeron processor.


As already mentioned the processor has nothing wrong with it actually being of better architecture than your suggested second hand computer. Conveniently ignoring other hardware thats better specc'd than you second hand model.

To what purpose this, when you can purchase a similar branded laptop fully set up


Similar branded? I thought it was a no brand, why would you want similar. And second hand too!

Where did I write that Linux was not capable?

Its implied when you say it wasw irresponsible to post about linux etc etc, read your posts. My saying that was in summary of all the baseless crap you've sprouted.

I didn't disagree with the other parts of your original post. Happen to have an ACER laptop too..
But the nonsense of your recommendation to buy a laptop without an OS and to install UBUNTU was/is patently ridiculous.

I would understand if I'd posted “I Recommend” but I didnt I posted a side note, encouraging someone to have a look.

It's just amusing and a little pathetic to see the amount of energy that you expend in trying to bolster your theory, when no one; including yourself, is convinced.

Trust me its not effort at all proving you wrong, a little annoying you're blind to it.

The fantasist that you speak of is yourself, if you think it is a viable option.

No its not viable, never mind.

Interesting that you wrote that you've only ever bought ACER(and one Amilo), but now, all of a sudden you have a Clevo. You even have to go into the BIOS in order to install XP.
What about the support issues? Who will repair the laptop beyond the 12 month warranty? Who supports the warranty? What about the reliability and build quality of these machines?
These are questions to be answered concerning an unknown brand supplied by a single retailer.

I have (only ever had acer with one amilo). I didn't bother finding which brand it was, wasn't that interested is the same way I'm not interested in ebuyers other cheap stuff. Just interested in a cheap laptop that has good reviews from people who had bought it. I'll endeavour to post this next time:


“I have only ever had acers apart from one amilo which was rubbish. Oh I have a nameless laptop from ebuyer running linux, according to Donnie its rubbish despite Donnie having no experience with either the laptop or linux and I believe him over my own good experience of it because he said so and any laptop he posts is sold out within 24hrs... except when its not.”

You say you have one, so let us know.

I will, What are we expecting 2 months for a no brand brand?? I'll let you know if it brakes.

I guess you missed the irony in !!!inine.

Theres no irony, its not even funning. Since you love english so much:


Irony;-


–noun, plural -nies.
1.
the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.

As a side note is not a spelling mistake, it's a grammatical error.

Reread my post, did I not mention grammar? Didn't mention spelling in conjunction with you quote. Simply made a statement about not caring about spelling mistakes in a different sentence.

You can try to convince us all you like, but your side(sic) note was aimed at the OP.

I'm glad that you know exacting what I'm thinking, am I like your fantasy student? I thought writing “As a side note” sort of indicated it wasn't the main point of my post. Next time I'll put a smilie at the end of it just for you next time so you know or I'll write “THIS IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION BUT WORTH A LOOK PLEASE READ THE MAIN PART OF MY POST I'M SIMPLY POSTING THIS LINK FOR FUN... IF THATS ALLOWED.”

I answered to discourage the OP from making a mistake. Happily, it wasn't even considered.

And obviously put the OP off your suggestion, which I remind you lasted longer than 24hrs from when you posted it. That made a liar of you!

As to my earlier questions to you... with your obvious lack of social skills it is no surprise that you don't understand a rhetorical question.

I clearly already knew the answers to the questions that I asked.

Then you clearly know you're speaking !!!!!. Quiet proud of the lack in my social skills.

Thick average student? Your words again, not mine.

Summarising the ever changing nature of this student you use to try and prove your points.

I simply wrote that they won't want to be messing about try to learn about a new operating system and using different software than their counterparts whilst they are trying to study. If you can't understand that, you really are a moron.

And you know this in the same you know what I was thinking? Idiot. How do you know the student wouldn't find it interesting? You dont. How do you know that student would no relish having something different from their counterparts? You dont not everyone does/wants what everyone else has. Your making assumptions based on you prejudices. And as a couple of my bosses in the forces used to say “Assumption is the mother of all !!!!ups”.

It is simply your fantasy that the average University student would prefer to use Linux.

Never said they would, never said they wouldn't, never even mentioned a student except in response to you mentioning one which is a lot since it seems to be the crux of your whole argument..

Now...I given you a little more rope...let's see what you do with it.

Probably use it to pull more of your arguments apart, wait already done that.

Donnie

So, let us know to whom your suggestion was aimed? Just anyone who cared to read your rubbish?

It was a stupid idea and you are not 'man' enough to admit it.

As I really do have better things to do with my time than to continue to communicate with an idiot such as you are, I'm happy for you to delude yourself that your idea had some merit.

Even happier to know that my advice actually helps people. Like the OP and others who may have followed my advice and secured some nice and relatively inexpensive presents for the family.
I'm sure that you realise that your opinion matters to no one but yourself..... and it burns you up inside.

Take your time, be nice. Maybe one day someone will actually care about what you say, instead of viewing you as a pathetic waste of space.

Imagine that...that you proudly announce that you have argued with people on this board in the past. You are truly a first class moron. I did myself an injustice even to communicate with such an imbecile. I will not make that mistake again.

Have you actually made a post that saved someone money? You have contributed nothing to the board but foolishness.

Nikiya

Hi guys! Since I started the thread I should report that I have bought the Dell model whose price had gone up at the original one (20 pounds less). I have bought other Dell PCs in the past and have been happy with them, I also had to make a quick decision and given my limited IT knowledge I tend to stick to what I know. The other offers recommended were not there by the time I checked.
I am very grateful to all of you but I'm afraid this interesting discussion is now beyond my scant grasp of the subject matter....
Many thanks to all of you!

Jakg

asininity wrote: »

In a laptop I'd take celeron dual core (I'm obviously taking the newer models) over pentium any day. Like laptops to run cool and battery life is important to me.

The Celeron will be the Pentium with less cache, assuming the same clock speed - the battery life difference cache makes is beyond unnoticeable.

As for recomending Linux to someone who obviously hasn't got a huge grasp of computers.... :rolleyes: