Need laptop urgent: Dell or Acer?

Donnie

Would love to stay and chat but I have a flight to catch soon. Off to South America to take a look around.

asininity

Donnie wrote: »

Dear asininity

I know that you wish to defend your patently ridiculous suggestion, but a University student will not want to spend time working out how to install software that is necessary for coursework whilst using UBUNTU.
Especially when the software differs from what everyone else is using. Please don't bother to mention WINE....

You've yet to state anything out of the ordinary that a university student needs to install that you can't get the equivalent on linux.

Maybe you've had a bad experience with linux before, what was it?... couldn't get it working threw a temper tantrum and decided to get back at linux by never using it again. You showed em good, heh?

Not sure what the problem is with suggesting other options, especially as a side note. Oh hang on just read further down, your problem is that you dont agree and you happen to be the only authority in such matters, according to you.

Where do you even see the mention of Pentium??

In your first suggestion from fleabay, or cant you remember posting that??? Its still there.

The laptops are at the same price point of £300, but the Toshiba is far superior and ready to roll.

No yours is more expensive and is not far superior by any shot. The processor is 0.2 ghz faster which isn't that much in real world use and has 2gb less ram (which does have real world benefits) apart from those two differences they are very similar. And thats only if it turns up from ebay.

Take note that every time that I have posted a link to a laptop that I recommend, it sells out within a day.

You are ammmmaazzzing!!! You must be a top sales man, pat yourself on the back, well done you, next time I wont post and shall wait for your excellence to post instead... hang on, what has that got to do with anything? Apart from some childish self ego boost. Pathetic!

Have you seen any of those buyers complaining about old 'refurbs'?

No and I've not seen any of those buyers full stop! Why would they complain to you, are you the manufacturer? Am I? What relevance as this got?

No, you won't...because they are this years' models and probably returns within the Argos 16 day guarantee.

Second-hand is second-hand.

I know, because I've put my money where my mouth is. They look brand new.

So, it appears that you don't know about what you are writing/talking.

As above second hand is second hand however they look, I bought the ebuyer laptop, very happy with it guess I do know what I'm talking about. However it appears you are a little confused about what we are talking about.

point3

I've had my top of the range Dell XPS laptop for 18 months now and I'm on my 5th motherboard. There's good and bad in every make.

Donnie

asininity wrote: »

You've yet to state anything out of the ordinary that a university student needs to install that you can't get the equivalent on linux...

Would love to spend the time to take your silly post apart, but I really do have a flight to catch.

Has the OP followed up on your advice? Was there any interest in your idea of installing UBUNTU and hoping that they weren't going to have a problem with compatible software?

If you really think that the difference between the Intel Celeron Dual Core T3000 1.8GHz and the Intel® Core 2 Duo Processor T5800 is 0.2 GHz, you really don't know about what you speak.

Have you studied any Benchmark ratings of late?

How much is 2 GB PC2-6400 RAM?

Are you telling me that you would prefer your laptop to the Toshiba all things being equal?

Second hand? I ordered two of the laptops from Argos Clearance Bargains. Both still had the original sticky plastic seal over the webcam. Clearly unused.

So I wish you great happiness with your no name laptop.

Meanwhile, my Toshiba, for which I paid £60 less than you did, came replete with Vista Home Premium.

Still has a full 12 month warranty, so no worries.

So, if anyone is interested in a no name laptop with no operating system, follow the asinine...

asininity

Donnie wrote: »

Would love to spend the time to take your silly post apart, but I really do have a flight to catch.

Well go catch it then and quit boring me with your non-sense.

Has the OP followed up on your advice? Was there any interest in your idea of installing UBUNTU and hoping that they weren't going to have a problem with compatible software?

I assume you mean the advice that I actually gave which was to have a look at it. I dont know do you? Probably.

Did they take yours has the OP bought your laptop?

If you really think that the difference between the Intel Celeron Dual Core T3000 1.8GHz and the Intel® Core 2 Duo Processor T5800 is 0.2 GHz, you really don't know about what you speak.

Have you studied any Benchmark ratings of late?

Not really, only bother when building a desktop, tend to look for the more efficient cpus when buying a laptop. Please link to some.

You're right there are differences . T3000 is newer, smaller and has a 45nm architecture, and therefore more transistors, more efficient. T5800 on the otherhand, well lets say bye bye battery life for a little extra speed.

Now ask yourself whats more important to a student speed or efficiency?

How much is 2 GB PC2-6400 RAM?

Is that to be added to the price?

Are you telling me that you would prefer your laptop to the Toshiba all things being equal?

Toshiba are just as good as any other laptop as far as I'm concerned, second-hand though is another matter. So yes mine has newer parts and is actually new.

Second hand? I ordered two of the laptops from Argos Clearance Bargains. Both still had the original sticky plastic seal over the webcam. Clearly unused.

Wow, they didn't have time to take the sticky plastic of the webcam before deciding they didn't like it and returning it, secondhand for you to buy.

So I wish you great happiness with your no name laptop.

Meanwhile, my Toshiba, for which I paid £60 less than you did, came replete with Vista Home Premium.

Still has a full 12 month warranty, so no worries.

So, if anyone is interested in a no name laptop with no operating system, follow the asinine...

No wishing needed bud I am happy. Oh it has an operating system, at no extra cost, just as happy with that especially since its better than Vista. No software issues either, funny that though there must be some I mean after all its linux isnt it. And it was brand new too. You seem to be taken in by brand names, bet your the guy in the gym with all the brand name gear and no idea what you're doing. Enjoy your holiday.

Donnie

Just back from the gym.

Yes, the OP asked for my advice, privately.

To a Student? Multi-Tasking. I'm reasonably sure that they will have a power source to hand most times.

I tend to use my laptops without the battery attached. Only attach the battery when I have to do so. My girlfriend's ACER laptop battery has never been used and it's two and a half years old.

Where your argument fell down, was with your suggestion that a University student should install UBUNTU. You fell into geekdom and lost any credibility you may have possessed.

Yes, Clevo may be a brand name for geeks like yourself to get excited, but the average user doesn't want to mess about trying to install an OS if they don't need to do so or find that the software that they are used to simply does not install.

They don't care as to whether my laptop is milliseconds faster or that UBUNTU is free.

They just want it to work. They want to use the same programs their friends are using.
You are a geek...not of the mainstream. So save your advice for other geeks.

I am sure that the OP's daughter is not interested in messing around with Linux and spending time just trying to get things to work.

You must be an imbecile if you really believe it.

As to whether I'm the guy with the brand names in the gym...isn't it ironic how you bang on about having the 'newest' stuff. You sound like the geek who queues up outside the cinema to be the first to see Star Wars.

No, the reason why I mention brand name is for the purpose of support. Who supports Clevo in the UK? Ebuyer?

Other important points include the software. The Toshiba has software for playing DVD Video, creating and burning DVD Video, creating recovery media, facial recognition software, a fully operational OS already installed...with some of those features replicated.

What would happen if the OP purchased your laptop, installed UBUNTU and then wanted to watch a DVD video borrowed from her local video rental store.

She'd slot it in and then......nothing. More of a palaver having to install VLC and even getting it to work.

Please, stop this nonsense. I have to pack.

asininity

Donnie wrote: »

Just back from the gym.

Yes, the OP asked for my advice, privately.

To a Student? Multi-Tasking. I'm reasonably sure that they will have a power source to hand most times.

I tend to use my laptops without the battery attached. Only attach the battery when I have to do so. My girlfriend's ACER laptop battery has never been used and it's two and a half years old.

I'll take your word on that last I read the OP was contacting Dell, probably for a new laptop. I tend to use laptops as laptops, not as a desktop, but thats just me. And the cpu in the laptop is capable of multitasking, software willing.

Where your argument fell down, was with your suggestion that a University student should install UBUNTU. You fell into geekdom and lost any credibility you may have possessed.

You've lost all you credibility making stuff up and the fact your arguments dont bare any scrutiny. Where have I suggested a "university student" install ubuntu? I'm pretty sure I said to have a look at a laptop on ebuyer as a side note.

Anyway why wouldn't a "univesity student" use ubuntu? What has windoze got that linux doesn't?

Dont worry about answering I'm sure you'll ignore them because you can't answer them.

Yes, Clevo may be a brand name for geeks like yourself to get excited, but the average user doesn't want to mess about trying to install an OS if they don't need to do so or find that the software that they are used to simply does not install.

Making up more crap! You are a patent idiot as the above quote proves, you know nothing about the !!!!! you're sprouting.

They don't care as to whether my laptop is milliseconds faster or that UBUNTU is free.

They just want it to work. They want to use the same programs their friends are using.
You are a geek...not of the mainstream. So save your advice for other geeks.

I believe the only person who has a problem with me mentioning that laptop is you, probably because of your prejudices. Narrow small minded people tend to get their knickers in a twist rather quick in situations out-with their safe world view.

I am sure that the OP's daughter is not interested in messing around with Linux and spending time just trying to get things to work.

Maybe maybe not. Wonder if the student is a computer student... oh no maybe she might be interested in linux:eek:

You must be an imbecile if you really believe it.

You are an imbecile to believe half the crap contained is your pathetic arguments.

As to whether I'm the guy with the brand names in the gym...isn't it ironic how you bang on about having the 'newest' stuff. You sound like the geek who queues up outside the cinema to be the first to see Star Wars.

Too easy the bait. Should really stop it but can't help myself. I dont queue for anything and theres nothing wrong with star wars, well the older ones anyway.

No, the reason why I mention brand name is for the purpose of support. Who supports Clevo in the UK? Ebuyer?

No you mention brand names because people like you buy into all that rubbish. You buy brand name paracetamol because you think it works better than the cheaper supermarket own brand with the same ingredients.

Have you tried toshiba customer service?? Ouch. As good as none, none costs less.

Other important points include the software. The Toshiba has software for playing DVD Video, creating and burning DVD Video, creating recovery media, facial recognition software, a fully operational OS already installed...with some of those features replicated.

Since you've obviously never used linux I'll forgive you your ignorance. A linux LiveCD comes as standard with most of that and a lot more. The toshiba will also come with what is called crapware and is why when buying a new laptop I install PCDecrapifer first thing.

What would happen if the OP purchased your laptop, installed UBUNTU and then wanted to watch a DVD video borrowed from her local video rental store.

She'd slot it in and then......nothing. More of a palaver having to install VLC and even getting it to work.

Please, stop this nonsense. I have to pack.

Again you're ignorance is forgiven so dont worry your cotton socks. MPlayer would say some codecs are missing and at the click of a mouse would install them for you, then the movie plays. Better than trawling websites for codecs as you have to in windows.

Oh and installing vlc is as easy as opening synaptic typing "vlc" and clicking install, guess what, it installs. Dont even need to visit there website download it and install it. Silly silly man.

Donnie

I need to buy a laptop for my daughter who's just started University...

Side note huh? To whom?

What is a "univesity student"??

Where have I suggested a "university student" install ubuntu?

In your replying to a thread about a laptop for a University student and suggesting that they should take a look at a laptop with no OS and suggesting that they install UBUNTU.

Do you have a problem with your memory?

Is the maker of you laptop not Clevo? Will all Windows software install on UBUNTU?

Tell me what I am making up...without having a hissy fit.

The OP's daughter is not interested in UBUNTU, especially when she is getting a fully operational OS with her laptop. No need for half measures.

Haven't tried Toshiba customer service....the laptop just works. Have you tried Clevo customer service?

Used Linux Linpus Lite on my ACER Aspire One. Removed it and installed Windows XP. Now everything just works.

I agree about removing a lot of the software that comes with the Toshiba. I also removed McAfee and replaced it with ESET Smart Security.

Of course you are lying about the ease of use of UBUNTU as compared to Windows Home Premium.

Examples: Playing DVDs in Ubuntu 9.04

How can I get my videos to play in Ubuntu 9.04

In addition; If you try to play an unsupported video file, you will be asked if you would like to search for a suitable codec. Click Search and, when the Install multimedia codecs window appears, select one of the codecs displayed in the list and click Install

You clearly missed that fact that the Toshiba already has DVD Video playing and creating software installed.

I have an old tower on which I used to run Windows 98SE. When I have the time I may install a flavour of Linux on it and to see how it performs.

But no way would I suggest it to the average university student, especially when you don't even know what they are studying. You really are a numbskull.

Happily the OP ignored your ridiculous suggestion.

Have to continue to pack... so...amuse yourself.

asininity

Donnie wrote: »

Side note huh? To whom?

Yes a side note, as was stated in the original post.

What is a "univesity student"??

Must have missed the r out, you really are a pathetic little man.

In your replying to a thread about a laptop for a University student and suggesting that they should take a look at a laptop with no OS and suggesting that they install UBUNTU.

I believe all I said was:

"As a side note THIS is worth a look all you need is a ubuntu cd."

Which was thrown in at the end of my main comments about acer laptops and warranties. So yes a side note and as such something to look at out of interest not as you seem to be implying the main part of the post.

Do you have a problem with your memory?

No you have a problem with reality.

Is the maker of you laptop not Clevo? Will all Windows software install on UBUNTU?

Yes Clevo, and linux is not windows you moron.

Tell me what I am making up...without having a hissy fit.

The main thrust of your argument, outlined above.

The OP's daughter is not interested in UBUNTU, especially when she is getting a fully operational OS with her laptop. No need for half measures.

I'm glad you know exactly what the OPs daughter is and isnt interested in. Is it fully functioning? Put it straight on the internet see how fully functioning it is.

Haven't tried Toshiba customer service....the laptop just works. Have you tried Clevo customer service?

No the laptop just works. So really your point is moot about support then.:rotfl:

Used Linux Linpus Lite on my ACER Aspire One. Removed it and installed Windows XP. Now everything just works.

There you go then point proven linpus is very bad, had a bad experience ran for the safety of m$, oh wait no more support for xp.

I agree about removing a lot of the software that comes with the Toshiba. I also removed McAfee and replaced it with ESET Smart Security.

Finally some sense. PCDcrapifer removes mcafee for you.

Of course you are lying about the ease of use of UBUNTU as compared to Windows Home Premium.

Examples: Playing DVDs in Ubuntu 9.04

How can I get my videos to play in Ubuntu 9.04

In addition; If you try to play an unsupported video file, you will be asked if you would like to search for a suitable codec. Click Search and, when the Install multimedia codecs window appears, select one of the codecs displayed in the list and click Install

Clearly I was not, there is a learning curve if you're used to something else, even macs dont escape this. I can use ubuntu easier than xp/vista. And as you've so aptly proven the instructions are easy to find if you have trouble. The in addition bit was what I mentioned earlier, very simple. If windoze doesn't recognise a format you have to trawl the web for it.

You clearly missed that fact that the Toshiba already has DVD Video playing and creating software installed.

Clearly you missed the fact that any software you need is a search of the repositories and install. When I start a new install of windoze I have to trawl the internet.

I have an old tower on which I used to run Windows 98SE. When I have the time I may install a flavour of Linux on it and to see how it performs.

I would suggest Puppy Linux 4.3, very good for older hardware.

But no way would I suggest it to the average university student, especially when you don't even know what they are studying. You really are a numbskull.

You wouldn't suggest it because you dont know what you're talking about. And you're arrogant and condescending too.

Happily the OP ignored your ridiculous suggestion.

Have to continue to pack... so...amuse yourself.

Funnily enough I didn't expect it to be taken seriously, the only one that did was you. Did the op buy your laptop? I see its still in stock with less than an hour to go before it should be out of stock by your own account.

Donnie

In your hysteria, I see that you thanked me for my post. That was magnanimous of you.

You are clearly lacking the basic skills of comprehension.

I asked if all Windows software(as in the software that the student would need to use) install on UBUNTU. Nowhere did I suggest that Linux was Windows....maybe only in your fevered brain.

Cool down little girl.

So now you have confirmed that your laptop is made by Clevo, but in your previous post you accused me of making it up. You are really appearing to be...unwell.

I did put it straight on the Internet, in order to download updates.

No bad experience with Linux...didn't even try it. Updated it and then removed it. No need to have it when I can install XP for ease of use.
Why should I make my life more complicated than is necessary?

I don't need PC Decrapifier, I can remove programs myself.

Actually you didn't actually mention all the steps involved...you tried to deceive by telling us "a simple click of the mouse" Liar.

As to Windows not recognising a format.... what format would I need to "trawl the Internet" in order to find?

Have not had to do that in all my days of using the Internet. Plus you are trying to make it sound as if Linux and UBUNTU has always has the same functionality.

If you have to trawl the Internet when installing Windows....maybe it's you who does not know what she is doing.

I wouldn't suggest it because it's an idiotic idea.

If you didn't expect it to be taken seriously, why did you post it?

I didn't take it seriously, because it was plainly idiotic. Just wanted to make sure that the OP was swayed by such foolishness.

Job done.


This will all be gone by tomorrow anyway. Hope you had some fun. Now run along and spend some time with your partner.