Idle young should be entitled to nothing

pipkin71

mbga9pgf wrote: »

Food vouchers will do the trick.

Not really. As has been discussed on the boards further down, food vouchers would bring their own problems.

pipkin71

I read somewhere the other day, that school leavers now, can face up to 10 years unemployment and this year's lot face the worst job prospects in a long time. I think it was sky news text ???

Add to that, giving no unemployment benefit to those youngsters and I can see a breakdown in law and order, as they struggle to survive.

Of course, those who have no desire to find employment shouldn't gain from the public purse, but how do the authorities distinguish between those trying to get a job and those with no intention of getting one, but playing the system to make it look like they are?

mbga9pgf

pipkin71 wrote: »

Not really. As has been discussed on the boards further down, food vouchers would bring their own problems.

YEah, problems for the scroungers. If they want to sell their sustinance for a significant discount on the black market, let them. I think a choice between feeding chardonnay and smoking 40 a day is a good moralistic connundrum for those scum lacking in morals. I say again, when was the last time you saw a skinny chav? (other than those with no teeth due to smoking crack?)

SandC

Tell me about it. It needs to be nipped in the bud for the young (how I don't know - that's what governments are supposed to work out) and then it won't filter down so much so that 30s, 40s and more have got used to not having to work.

I have had to bite my tongue just today seeing a conversation on facebook between a friend and one of her mates. The friend is starting college and is on benefits. The other friend said she wanted to do that but had been told they'd stop her money. She's on JSA cos her eldest is 12 and she thinks this is grossly unfair. So she's not going to bother trying to better herself because they'll stop the free money she's got coming in - oh and I know friend is on benefits too but her youngest is 5 and she is going so that she can get a job as soon as possible and is on her own whereas her mate has a partner living with her. Oh and she's about my age I think - 38.

Drives me batty I tell ya.

pipkin71

mbga9pgf wrote: »

YEah, problems for the scroungers. If they want to sell their sustinance for a significant discount on the black market, let them. I think a choice between feeding chardonnay and smoking 40 a day is a good moralistic connundrum for those scum lacking in morals. I say again, when was the last time you saw a skinny chav? (other than those with no teeth due to smoking crack?)

Problem also for the children, and the families where they are legitimately entitled to the benefits they claim. I'm sure the person who has worked 25 years and suddenly found themselves unemployed would also find a problem with food vouchers when they have other financial commitments to worry about too.

mbga9pgf

Food vouchers only for those who havent been able to hold a job down for 12 months solid then. Simples. Plenty of those scummers around.

Shakethedisease

From 'Shadows of the Workhouse'...

The original policy was that a workhouse should be a place of 'last resort', therefore conditions inside a workhouse should be less comfortable that a state of homeless destituion outside.Strict rules for admission were introduced and enforced nationwide, and those rules were intended to deter the idle and shiftless from seeking admission. But the result, in a mixed workhouse was that all classes of paupers suffered. Nobody could come up with an answer to the question of how to deter the idle without penalising the defenceless.

Same old story...

SingleSue

Davesnave wrote: »

I think this is a local thing. As far as I recall, DD2 had a paper round from age 14 and could have had two if she'd wanted, such was the lethargy of some of her mates in our area. That was six years ago. Trouble is, in many places, sales of newspapers are well down on what they were.

Back in the 'bad old days,' I'd turn a blind eye to some of my pupils, then aged 11, delivering the morning papers before school. They were always the keen ones though, (and usually girls!) so no problems with arriving late or being unable to concentrate.

As a teenage worker in the 60s & early 70s I've a few horror stories to tell, so I can see the point of much H&S legislation, but like LIR, I feel we've gone too far now in protecting kids. My professional experience in devising/running lifeskills days is that the over-protected kids are sitting ducks in relation to the big bad world out there. It's always those children who go off into the woods with the nice young man (police officer in disguise) who's lost his puppy! :rotfl:

Paper rounds are available but the lists are so long the average time to get something is about 6-8 years! Eldest put his name down quite some years ago now at around 5 shops.

It is basically the only thing open as a part time job for those under 16 around here coupled with fewer rounds available due to people getting their own papers, hence the long waiting lists for those wanting to do them.

bo_drinker

diable wrote: »

I have worked for 30 years and and am up for redundancy and want to live off the state as I need a rest, any advice anyone?

Go for it, but don't show your lazy bone idle face round here again.....

bo_drinker

mbga9pgf wrote: »

Food vouchers only for those who havent been able to hold a job down for 12 months solid then. Simples. Plenty of those scummers around.

I've been saying for ages as have others on here that the die hard work shy scum should get vouchers for essentials, not fkn sky tv, lager and xmas etc and not cash (magic money). The shameless scum need knocking back down a peg or two

And some fkn Indian call centre just rang me to see if my sky tv was working okay, I wouldn't mind but I've never had fkn sky tv.