The beginning of the end of political correctness - The Telegraph

MRSTITTLEMOUSE

macaque wrote: »

I wonder if you have got this right. I suspect that there is more prejudice today than we had in the seventies. The main difference is that free speech in the 70s allowed people to air their prejudices. Today, like the Russian citizens of old, people are learning to hide their true feelings.

Prejudice and tribal hatred is innate to the human psyche and will never go away. Such characteristics are a weakness but also an essential part of our genetic code for survival. People only grow out of such views with maturity and civilised debate. Debates on such matters today however run a serious risk of criminal prosecution.

Central government has stifled debate on matters like immigration whilst missguided local councils have fostered resentment by appearing to favour minority groups at the expense of other minority groups or the majority. Where will this all end? Another Yugoslavia?

So true.:T

Jonbvn

This guy's approach is obviously driving all our Guardanista friends mad. Labelling him as a racist bigot is a common ploy, in an effort to discredit him.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out.

kennyboy66_2

macaque wrote: »

I wonder if you have got this right. I suspect that there is more prejudice today than we had in the seventies. The main difference is that free speech in the 70s allowed people to air their prejudices. Today, like the Russian citizens of old, people are learning to hide their true feelings.

Prejudice and tribal hatred is innate to the human psyche and will never go away. Such characteristics are a weakness but also an essential part of our genetic code for survival. People only grow out of such views with maturity and civilised debate. Debates on such matters today however run a serious risk of criminal prosecution.

Central government has stifled debate on matters like immigration whilst missguided local councils have fostered resentment by appearing to favour minority groups at the expense of other minority groups or the majority. Where will this all end? Another Yugoslavia?

I guess you probably weren't around in the 70's then.

There was outright racism & discrimination in jobs, housing (private & public), policing, education and politics.
It was only a few years since a Conservative candidate won an election in 1964 with the slogan "If you want a ****** for a neighbour, vote Labour." (Smethick, Birmingham

I am sure there is still plenty of discrimination that goes on, probably most of it is unconcious.
I doubt however you will find many afro-carribean, asian or Irish people would agree with your peverted view.

Worse prejudice than the 1970's ?

Lauaghable.

MRSTITTLEMOUSE

kennyboy66 wrote: »

I guess you probably weren't around in the 70's then.

There was outright racism & discrimination in jobs, housing (private & public), policing, education and politics.
It was only a few years since a Conservative candidate won an election in 1964 with the slogan "If you want a ****** for a neighbour, vote Labour." (Smethick, Birmingham

I am sure there is still plenty of discrimination that goes on, probably most of it is unconcious.
I doubt however you will find many afro-carribean, asian or Irish people would agree with your peverted view.

Worse prejudice than the 1970's ?

Lauaghable.

I was around in the 70s,don't know about the OP.
Yes there was very open predjudice around then.
There is still an awful lot of it now,only now most people won't come out and say what they think.
Just because things are'nt as blatant as 30 years ago does'nt mean they're not there.
They are,only people are afraid to be open about how they realy feel.
My own personal feelings is that all the PC rubbish only added fuel to the fire.
People feel real resentment now,and not just in the the elderly(who I expected) which quite shocked me.

kennyboy66_2

MRSTITTLEMOUSE wrote: »

I was around in the 70s,don't know about the OP.
Yes there was very open predjudice around then.
There is still an awful lot of it now,only now most people won't come out and say what they think.
Just because things are'nt as blatant as 30 years ago does'nt mean they're not there.
They are,only people are afraid to be open about how they realy feel.
My own personal feelings is that all the PC rubbish only added fuel to the fire.
People feel real resentment now,and not just in the the elderly(who I expected) which quite shocked me.

"I suspect that there is more prejudice today than we had in the seventies".

You surely can't believe this.

You only needed to attend a football match, or just walk around the streets in the 70's to witness vicious racial taunting.

Where these people just "expressing an opinion" ?

StevieJ

kennyboy66 wrote: »

I guess you probably weren't around in the 70's then.

There was outright racism & discrimination in jobs, housing (private & public), policing, education and politics.
It was only a few years since a Conservative candidate won an election in 1964 with the slogan "If you want a ****** for a neighbour, vote Labour." (Smethick, Birmingham

I am sure there is still plenty of discrimination that goes on, probably most of it is unconcious.
I doubt however you will find many afro-carribean, asian or Irish people would agree with your peverted view.

Worse prejudice than the 1970's ?

Lauaghable.

Many a lodging house with 'no blacks or Irish' showing :eek:

ALIBOBSY

I saw a comedian do a peice about human nature and "tribalism".
Being a mancunian like myself he pointed out how much we hate the scousers right up to the point when we bump into someone from down south when we all gang up as "northerners". Then when a scot wanders along we all pal up as english. Then a frenchie appears and we are all british together. Finally an american pops up and we are all european.
As he points out the only way the world will every pull together is if we got invaded by aliens.

This sort of tribalism and "looking after your own" is embeded in us, wether it be cultural,religeous, sex, age, or racial lines.
However we can ensure this doesn't become a reason to hurt or discriminate against someone.

At the end of the day this mayor is right PC has gone too far positive discrimination is as diversive as negative. Councils used to keep the streets clean, and deal with the rubbish. They went too far into other areas. They need to get back to the actual services local people need. An example is the wide number of languages leaflets are published in. Its a waste and in may cases is not required. An electronic copy of each could be kept online and passed to any relavent local bodies. If someone requires a copy they can have one printed off, if you live in a country you should have at least enough basic language to ask for info.
If I moved abroad I would expect to have to learn the language. In fact the money would be better spent on english classes for those that need them.

I agree that the core services such as rubbish collection et al should be improved and other non essential services cut. The other councils are just frightened of being accused of being racist to make the real decisions required.

I just hope the PC brigade haven't pushed things so far that the backlash will push us back to the bad old days.

ali x

bendix

I think I'm going to move to Doncaster.

Harry_Powell

How many coucil workers were in these 'non-jobs', taking a salary and nice fat pension. It's not just the saving made from not putting funds into 'Pride' style events, it's the removal of the 'gays and lesbian relations officer' roles that will make the real savings.

Good on em, hopefully the tory's will see how popular this guy's policies are and will put some of them in place.

StevieJ

Not another Tory hero like talking head Hannon, (he showed his true colours on US TV).