Giving bonus to person on JSA/IS

Why_oh_why

I have tried searching the Job Centre to find an answer to this but all I am getting is details about the bonus schemes they run.

Basically, I set up a company a few months ago - currently, I have had no income! I have had someone that has been 'attending' work every day as requested, despite the fact that they have had no income from doing this. This person is claiming JSA/IS. In the next few months, hopefully things are really going to pick up.

If everything was to go as planned, I would have some money available to give this person a bonus (as a big big thanks for sticking with me, despite having had no income for months).

My concern is, that I wouldn't want to pay them a bonus (probably about £500) and it !!!!!! up their JSA/IS. Would anyone be able to explain the possible implications please.

I don't want to ask the person involved as I would like it to (hopefully) be a surprise!

dookar

Wow.

Off the top of my head - make it not a bonus but a payment for when they attended work, this way it may be averaged out and be better for them.

However, my first thought is 'is this person available?' It is this which will affect their benefit more than what you decide to pay them

SomeBozo

Why_oh_why wrote: »

I have tried searching the Job Centre to find an answer to this but all I am getting is details about the bonus schemes they run.

Basically, I set up a company a few months ago - currently, I have had no income! I have had someone that has been 'attending' work every day as requested, despite the fact that they have had no income from doing this. This person is claiming JSA/IS. In the next few months, hopefully things are really going to pick up.

If everything was to go as planned, I would have some money available to give this person a bonus (as a big big thanks for sticking with me, despite having had no income for months).

My concern is, that I wouldn't want to pay them a bonus (probably about £500) and it !!!!!! up their JSA/IS. Would anyone be able to explain the possible implications please.

I don't want to ask the person involved as I would like it to (hopefully) be a surprise!

This all smells fishy.

How can this person be seeking other work and claiming JSA during this time if they have been workign for you?

Does this person have a contract of employment?

What would the wage be if he/she had been paid for those months?

How is the tax and NI (if appropriate) being deducted?


Bozo

Fran

Are they claiming JSA or IS? If JSA they need to be available for work and should not have been doing this work to be entitled. If IS then there are also rules which would probably amount to the same thing, ie they should not have been claiming if they are working.

You should get proper advice from eg. Community Legal Advice.

NASA_2

I dare say this site logs IP addresses and would be required to release pertinent information on request from an official body if a criminal offence is suspected.

Not quite so untraceable as fraudangel89 suggests.

Angel89_2

NASA wrote: »

I dare say this site logs IP addresses and would be required to release pertinent information on request from an official body if a criminal offence is suspected.

Not quite so untraceable as fraudangel89 suggests.

Theres also thing called using proxies when surfing the web so you never ever actually use your own ip address! :rolleyes::A

NASA_2

Angel89 wrote: »

Theres also thing called using proxies when surfing the web so you never ever actually use your own ip address! :rolleyes::A

I wonder does everyone know to do that though?

Most people that use this site, IMO, arent internet savvy enough to do so. Proxies arent foolproof anyway.

Mojisola

Fran wrote: »

Are they claiming JSA or IS? If JSA they need to be available for work and should not have been doing this work to be entitled. If IS then there are also rules which would probably amount to the same thing, ie they should not have been claiming if they are working.

What is a person supposed to do when they are claiming JSA? Providing that they are seriously looking for work and applying for jobs, can't they use the rest of the week as they wish? If someone wanted to help a friend decorate their house or renovate their garden for free, isn't that allowed? What's the difference in helping a friend start up a new business, especially if it may lead to some work in the future?

If you are helping someone out for free, then you can walk away any time a job interview or job offer comes up so you are still available for work. I think someone would be much more employable if they had spent their time like this than sitting at home watching daytime TV all week.

How you manage retrospective payment for the time they spent with you is different. They shouldn't be getting payment for weeks that they also received benefits for.

real1314

Why_oh_why wrote: »

I have tried searching the Job Centre to find an answer to this but all I am getting is details about the bonus schemes they run.

Basically, I set up a company a few months ago - currently, I have had no income! I have had someone that has been 'attending' work every day as requested, despite the fact that they have had no income from doing this. This person is claiming JSA/IS. In the next few months, hopefully things are really going to pick up.

If everything was to go as planned, I would have some money available to give this person a bonus (as a big big thanks for sticking with me, despite having had no income for months).

My concern is, that I wouldn't want to pay them a bonus (probably about £500) and it !!!!!! up their JSA/IS. Would anyone be able to explain the possible implications please.

I don't want to ask the person involved as I would like it to (hopefully) be a surprise!

So you've set up a company and have an employee who you have not been paying anything (breaking minimum wage laws) and have knowingly let this situation continue whilst they claim JSA.
What you have done appears to be colluding to commit benefit fraud.

Why should the taxpayer provide your emplyee with an income whilst you get the benefit of their work?

Angel89_2

The best way (only actual way) of doing it would just be to say they were doing some voluntary stuff to help you out,
which was merely voluntary work in their free time, not real employment, and so they weren't paid anything for it.


If you want to give them thousands of pounds of your money as a ''gift'' at a later date to say ''thankyou'' then thats between you and them just like any other present would be.

(If someone is on benefits, but someone buys them a car worth £5,000, providing they still have under £16,000 of money/assests its nothing to do with the council and s doenst have to be 'declared').



I dont even know why im bothering to waste my time replying to this though as the situation yu have described isnt really true... lol

Zara33

Angel89 wrote: »

The best way (only actual way) of doing it would just be to say they were doing some voluntary stuff to help you out,
which was merely voluntary work in their free time, not real employment, and so they weren't paid anything for it.


If you want to give them thousands of pounds of your money as a ''gift'' at a later date to say ''thankyou'' then thats between you and them just like any other present would be.

(If someone is on benefits, but someone buys them a car worth £5,000, providing they still have under £16,000 of money/assests its nothing to do with the council and s doenst have to be 'declared').





I dont even know why im bothering to waste my time replying to this though as the situation yu have described isnt really true... lol

What has the council got to do with JSA