Giving bonus to person on JSA/IS

healy

Angel89 wrote: »

Home-maker is just one of those silly 'politically correctness' invented words. :rotfl:

You aren't ''building or making a home''.

The home is there, you your husband and kids live in it, and so the normal things that people have to do to live everyday live and survive.

If you went and got a job, just like millions and millions of other mothers do, your home would still function fine and keep going,
just like the millions of others manage to.


And you may not be ''taking that specific benefit'' out of the fund,
but you are taking other benefits out,
And yet ''YOU arent paying anything into that fund which YOU take benefits out of''. :rolleyes:

She is doing valuable voluntary work though which counts for a lot.

Not all wives and mothers work when there is already a husband with a job.

In anycase it is not your concern.

Angel89_2

healy wrote: »

That is not correct. Although not common people can and do claim HB/LHA without claiming JSA.

There would have to be quite a strong reason why they were unable to go and sign on in a jobcentre 1x every 2weeks though for that to be allowed.

(Unless its someone who is working partime only and so is getting jsa WHILE they look for fulltime work)

Angel89_2

healy wrote: »

In anycase it is not your concern.

It is my concern actually because since i have started the paye work and so have had to start paying my money that ive earnt away to other people i am very very concerned about it all,
and so want to make sure that I (ME) get every single pennies worth of that money that im paying (which is claimed to be being used for ME and MY share of public services).


But so everyone whos not paying into that fund also is a big big concern to me, since that means that i wont be getting all my money's worth,
as other people will also be getting those same services and things WITHOUT paying thir money for it! :mad:

So it will either be paart of my money used to pay for them too,
or it will be more money printed which will mean inflation,
which will mean the money i earn will be worth less! :mad:

healy

Angel89 wrote: »

There would have to be quite a strong reason why they were unable to go and sign on in a jobcentre 1x every 2weeks though for that to be allowed.

(Unless its someone who is working partime only and so is getting jsa WHILE they look for fulltime work)

The Council would probably make enquiries but they can claim HB/LHA and not claim JSA, that is a fact.

Your last sentence does not make any sense as they would have to sign on if claiming JSA.

healy

Angel89 wrote: »

It is my concern actually because since i have started the paye work and so have had to start paying my money that ive earnt away to other people i am very very concerned about it all,
and so want to make sure that I (ME) get every single pennies worth of that money that im paying (which is claimed to be being used for ME and MY share of public services).


But so everyone whos not paying into that fund also is a big big concern to me, since that means that i wont be getting all my money's worth,
as other people will also be getting those same services and things WITHOUT paying thir money for it! :mad:

So it will either be paart of my money used to pay for them too,
or it will be more money printed which will mean inflation,
which will mean the money i earn will be worth less! :mad:

It does not work like that.

You will need to enter the real world sometime.

Other peoples financial set up is not your concern.

sp1987

Angel89 wrote: »

It is my concern actually because since i have started the paye work and so have had to start paying my money that ive earnt away to other people i am very very concerned about it all,
and so want to make sure that I (ME) get every single pennies worth of that money that im paying (which is claimed to be being used for ME and MY share of public services).


But so everyone whos not paying into that fund also is a big big concern to me, since that means that i wont be getting all my money's worth,
as other people will also be getting those same services and things WITHOUT paying thir money for it! :mad:

So it will either be paart of my money used to pay for them too,
or it will be more money printed which will mean inflation,
which will mean the money i earn will be worth less! :mad:

Shame you did not make the most of your ''share'' of the education system, your taxes pay towards that too, remember.

What concern is it of yours anyway if someone stays at home (whether home making, child raising, caring for a disabled person, studying, or even sitting watching jeremy kyle it makes no odds) where a partner is employed and supports them? It seems silly that if a couple have one partner earning a sufficient wage to support them, that both have to work. In the 'traditional' old fashioned set up the wife sorts out the house and has dinner on the table ready for when the husband comes home. A misogynist like you is not going to get your potato waffles on time if a partner is stuck in rush hour cursing :rotfl:

Plus, by staying at home with the children, she is saving a claim on the childcare element of any tax credits she might be entitled to.

Fran

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Please keep on topic. Thanks.

real1314

Angel89 wrote: »

There would have to be quite a strong reason why they were unable to go and sign on in a jobcentre 1x every 2weeks though for that to be allowed.

(Unless its someone who is working partime only and so is getting jsa WHILE they look for fulltime work)

You really need to learn more about the benefit system. To claim HB you simply need to have a liability to pay rent.
You don't need to sign on, you don't need to be sick or disabled, you don't need to be a single parent.

It's only requirement is liability to pay rent. After that's passed it's just a means test. So, all the "Daily Mail" types should be happy - it's doesn't prevent anyone from claiming it because they don't have kids, or a bad back or just don't want a job.

Someone who can only get a 20 hrs a week job and therefore can't get JSA can claim HB.
Someone who's been made redundant but has some private income they've saved for that stops them getting JSA can claim HB.

Angel89_2

real1314 wrote: »

You really need to learn more about the benefit system. To claim HB you simply need to have a liability to pay rent.
You don't need to sign on, you don't need to be sick or disabled, you don't need to be a single parent.

It's only requirement is liability to pay rent. After that's passed it's just a means test. So, all the "Daily Mail" types should be happy - it's doesn't prevent anyone from claiming it because they don't have kids, or a bad back or just don't want a job.

Someone who can only get a 20 hrs a week job and therefore can't get JSA can claim HB.
Someone who's been made redundant but has some private income they've saved for that stops them getting JSA can claim HB.

You will find in reality that it wont work like that.


Yes if you are working partime you will get the housing benefit, but you will also be told to start looking for fulltime work,
as you are unable to live on partime so it cannot continue.

If you have a few thousand pounds savings, but under the 16k level,
you cant just ''opt out'' of looking for employment as you dont need money that badly,
but then also try saying to the benefits officer (when they phone you and ask why you aren't signing on to make yourself available for work),
i need you to give a me that many hundred pounds per month to pay towards my rent,
but i have enough of my own money for other stuff so i dont need to be making myself available for work just yet, but keep paying my rent though anyways ok... :rotfl:


You can try that, but you will simply find that they wont give you housing benefit on the grounds of ''no income to pay your own rent due to unemployment'',
but then allow you to ''not go and sign on every 2weeks so they can see you are looking for work and are available for any work the jobcentre may give you''.



Since if it worked like that why on earth would anyone bother working?? :rotfl:

When they could just lie around at home all day in a flat paid for by other people, but without having to answer to those people and prove to them that you were actively seeking work.



(Remember benefits service ISNT a charity! Its a SHORT TERM emergency fund, which is there to support you while you do whatever it takes to get off it as fast as possible)

real1314

Angel89 wrote: »

You will find in reality that it wont work like that.


Yes if you are working partime you will get the housing benefit, but you will also be told to start looking for fulltime work,
as you are unable to live on partime so it cannot continue. HB don't make calls about signing on.

If you have a few thousand pounds savings, but under the 16k level,
you cant just ''opt out'' of looking for employment as you dont need money that badly, Yes you can.
but then also try saying to the benefits officer (when they phone you and ask why you aren't signing on to make yourself available for work), They don't phone about looking for work.
i need you to give a me that many hundred pounds per month to pay towards my rent,
but i have enough of my own money for other stuff so i dont need to be making myself available for work just yet, but keep paying my rent though anyways ok... :rotfl:They will pay it.


You can try that, but you will simply find that they wont give you housing benefit on the grounds of ''no income to pay your own rent due to unemployment'', That's made up - doesn't happeen
but then allow you to ''not go and sign on every 2weeks so they can see you are looking for work and are available for any work the jobcentre may give you''. Nonsense



Since if it worked like that why on earth would anyone bother working?? :rotfl: Because benefit levels are low? And guess what - some work but only have a low income so they get HB too!

When they could just lie around at home all day in a flat paid for by other people, but without having to answer to those people and prove to them that you were actively seeking work. Well, that way you'd have no income - you could only really do it if you had some money in the bank or a private income that stopped you getting jsa (as i said)



(Remember benefits service ISNT a charity! Its a SHORT TERM emergency fund, which is there to support you while you do whatever it takes to get off it as fast as possible) Not true for some people - e.g people with disabilities, low incomes etc - it can be a long term support - that's part of the HB scheme's purpose.

I cannot state clearly enough that what you have posted is utterly wrong.
Those bits in bold about signing on and capital are just made up. You can put rolling smileys in, but I think you're making yourself look a bit of a joke doing that.

You clearly have no real experience of HB. They don't give 2 hoots how many hours someone works other than to apply the means test element.

I suspect (well, actually I know) that I have considerably more experience of HB and benefits in general than you do, and can therefore speak from experience rather than un-informed speculation as you seem to be doing.