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Benefit cheat - but family member - help?

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  • ailuro2
    ailuro2 Posts: 7,540 Forumite
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    edited 23 August 2009 at 1:22PM
    Unless s-i-l lives in the middle of nowhere with no neighbours, there WILL be a busybody who notices the kid getting dropped off every day. It's not too hard to check the childcare websites to see if she's registered or not.;)

    https://secure.dwp.gov.uk/benefitfraud/

    it looks anonymous enough to me..... obviously if you fill in their birthdays and middle names then that might make them think it was someone who knows them better than the nosy old biddy over the road (does her partner work? Could be someone at his work, or at s-i-l 2's work, they might notice she buys a lot of new clothes while paying for full time childcare!....)
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  • Spendless wrote: »
    When I looked up the rules on relatives receiving money for childminding some time ago for a thread on here, it said that you do not need to be registered if a close relative BUT you can not recieve help via tax credits or childcare vouchers to help with the cost unless the relative registers as a childminder and also childminds at least one other non-related child (which explains why some grandparents have registered as childminders). Unfortunately I can't find the link I used and there isn't a great deal about it on the net.


    Thats correct spendless, just couldn't be bothered to write it all down lol.:D I work with all kinds of childcare in my local authority and have to report any unregistered childcare for reward that we find out about. The only exception to the rule is Nanny's but they have to be working in the childs home and not caring for any other families children!
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  • kaya
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    Its a sad sad world when you wish to cause distress or harm to your own family/blood for ANY reason
  • kaya wrote: »
    Its a sad sad world when you wish to cause distress or harm to your own family/blood for ANY reason


    The s-i-l has no one else to blame for any distress or harm caused, she is commiting fraud end of! Would you feel the same if it was another illegal activity for example mugging or hit and run, I would hope not, what is sad is that people are condoning this sort of behaviour and not standing up for what is right. I fully support the OP, she knows right from wrong!
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  • *Louise*
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    Usually I would be all for reporting a benefit cheat

    But, by the time the first £20 is ruled out, then minus the money for food/wear and tear, there's very little left to make much of a difference to her benefits.

    If I were the OP I would be concerned with the fact they know that you know about the situation, and if the SIL was to be investigated, guess who would be at the top of the list of 'people who may have reported' Whish is all very well if you don't care what they think of you, but what will your hubby think if he were to find out? Or how will his family treat him?
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  • DKLS
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    Shop her to the anonymous hotline, I have recently done the same, If you saw my neighbour at the front of the house, you may say poor disabled chap hobbling about, he deserves his disability benefits, funny when I saw him in the back garden, he scaled a 50ft tree like a teenage monkey and proceeded to use with some skill a chainsaw weighing 35kg and removed a number of tree limbs.

    I caught this all on my new HD camcorder in amazing clarity and have recently submitted it, I couldn't care less if he knows it was me, he is a wife beating, drug dealing, thieving primordial ooze.
    He already knows it was me that reported him for knocking 7 bells out of his poor wife.
    Just need to find the time now to report him to social services and the drugs squad.
  • consultant31
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    So, because she's family, the OP should bite her tongue and let this woman commit fraud?

    What if the woman were drink-driving? Would you let that go as well?

    What if she were beating her child? Ignore that, would you?

    Wrong-doing is wrong, whatever the level. It doesn't matter if the fat-cat types or the politicians are thieving rat-bags, it doesn't make it right to ignore the ones we know about.

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  • *Louise*
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    edited 23 August 2009 at 3:27PM
    DKLS wrote: »
    Shop her to the anonymous hotline, I have recently done the same, If you saw my neighbour at the front of the house, you may say poor disabled chap hobbling about, he deserves his disability benefits, funny when I saw him in the back garden, he scaled a 50ft tree like a teenage monkey and proceeded to use with some skill a chainsaw weighing 35kg and removed a number of tree limbs.

    I caught this all on my new HD camcorder in amazing clarity and have recently submitted it, I couldn't care less if he knows it was me, he is a wife beating, drug dealing, thieving primordial ooze.
    He already knows it was me that reported him for knocking 7 bells out of his poor wife.
    Just need to find the time now to report him to social services and the drugs squad.


    ^^Sounds like the sort of person who needs reporting, I would have no qualms whatsoever about someone like that. :D
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  • nottslass_2
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    I'm pretty sure that you don't have to be registered to look after a relatives child.

    When I child minded many (many) years ago ,2/3 of your payments were classed as "expenses" so only 1/3 of the money I was payed was classed as income ! This would mean that the OP's SIL would in fact only need to "declare" £16 PW as income - Does anybody know if this is still the case ? Also isn't there an earnings disregard of £20 PW if you're on income support ?

    If these rules still apply then perhaps the SIL isn't committing fraud at all !!!!
  • Savvy_Sue
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    nottslass wrote: »
    If these rules still apply then perhaps the SIL isn't committing fraud at all !!!!
    As long as she's not declaring the income, it's fraud.

    It may be that by the time she takes off expenses, she wouldn't be 'over the limit', BUT as far as the OP knows she's just not declaring it.

    I'm not aware that you can decide for yourself whether to declare extra income or not, based on whether it takes you over the limit for any particular benefit. My understanding was that you declared it, and they told you whether it would affect your benefit or not.

    I don't know if I would report or not, but I probably would keep dropping into conversation what happens when people ARE charged with benefit fraud, and that it's not nice.
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