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Lifeisbutadream

Harry_Powell wrote: »

I'm not completely stupid

Well, I would love to hang around and debate, but unfortunately have to get some work done.

wageslave

Harry_Powell wrote: »

Why are you being so offensive? I haven't been to you.

I usually dont have time to really study this board, generally I just skim over things. I wince sometimes at the crueler posts but leave it to those both brighter and better armed than me to deal with them.
You, however, have really quite annoyed me. I suppose you remind me of a certain kind of man, the sweetly reasonable sneering bully.
However it is only an internet forum and I rejoice that in RL no poor woman has to put up with you.

Graham_Devon

Harry_Powell wrote: »

Why not put your figures into entitledto (for people earning over £20k) and you won't need to 'think', you'll know?

I was discussing a 'real' person with Graham and so don't see the value of inputting dummy figures (even 'realistic' dummy figures) into a web page. We were talking about a real-world example, not some made up figures. I have already stated that I am sure that people could receive large amounts of money from the state, but as I said before I don't have any experience of this within my peer group and so was interested to hear from someone who did have experience and could provide real figures.

I'm not 'completely stupid', I just wanted to hear real figures, not some I have invented myself and input into a website.

Just for your persistance....

Taken from another post elsewhere....

From April, the benefits will be increasing.

Not including hosing or council tax benefit, a single mother with two children will receive:

Parent: £60.50

For children aged under 16: £105.18

Because you have children: £16.75

This then comes to: £182. 43 per week

Of course, there is child benefit of £30.20 per week, but as that is deducted from the above total, from 9th April a single parent with two children will receive £182.43 each week.

Total 182.43 x 52 weeks = £9486.

Don't think the above includes tax credits, though it may, so we'll forget them for a minute.

Now, as the single girl is living down here and average rent here is £590 a month for a 2 bed place, we'll use that.

£590 x 12 = £7080

Council tax band B = £1190

So far we have £9486 + £7080 + £1190.

These are pre-tax figures, so the £9486 needs tax applying to it. This works out, at just shy of £11,000 wage pre-tax.

So we need to now add £9486 income + £1486 tax which others would pay, + £7080 rent + £1190 council tax.

So far we have £19,242.

Add on her fund which she got of £750 = £19,992.

Now, this is NOT based on her actual figures as I simply do not know them, all I do know is she actually has a 3 bed terrace, not a 2 bed, which were the figures used, however, this is a one off case, probably due to lack f homes, so of course her actual home will cost more in rent.

This does not include a variety of extras, of which I cannot be bothered to list. I believe milk tokens comes close to £250 per year themselves. Let's not forget there are absolutely NO work associated costs, which we all incurr.

Happy Harry?

Harry_Powell

wageslave wrote: »

I usually dont have time to really study this board, generally I just skim over things. I wince sometimes at the crueler posts but leave it to those both brighter and better armed than me to deal with them.
You, however, have really quite annoyed me. I suppose you remind me of a certain kind of man, the sweetly reasonable sneering bully.
However it is only an internet forum and I rejoice that in RL no poor woman has to put up with you.

Well, I don't know where you got that from or why a short discussion with Graham that I was having should result in two complete strangers coming out of the woodwork and calling me "stupid" or "sneering bully". Especially as I have been polite and courtious throughout.

It never fails to surprise me when people take such offense at a discussion on an internet forum that they're not even party to. Still, the internet attracts some odd people I suppose.

Graham, thanks for the chat and for your prompt replies. I agree with you that we've probably exhausted this discussion and we have also attracted some unwanted and uncalled for attention. Cheers for the chat, mate

Masomnia

It has been interesting to read. Always nice to see actual numbers used in these discussions that can get a bit bogged down in myth and prejudice.

StevieJ

Graham_Devon wrote: »

These are pre-tax figures, so the £9486 needs tax applying to it. This works out, at just shy of £11,000 wage pre-tax.


This does not include a variety of extras, of which I cannot be bothered to list. I believe milk tokens comes close to £250 per year themselves. Let's not forget there are absolutely NO work associated costs, which we all incurr.

Why have you grossed up the£9486 for tax and not the other freebies ? either we are looking at pre tax or post tax income (or equiv).

Graham_Devon

Harry_Powell wrote: »

Well, I don't know where you got that from or why a short discussion with Graham that I was having should result in two complete strangers coming out of the woodwork and calling me "stupid" or "sneering bully". Especially as I have been polite and courtious throughout.

I'd say this, which also peeved me off, does not help your cause...

Seems to me that you're just making this up as you go along. You roll out this 'single mother that I know' every so often yet are completely unable to supply anything other than the £23k income. How can I believe you that £23k 'is on the low side' if you refuse to provide even rudimentary figures? It's a little suspect Graham.

so that's not a benefit resulting from her 'lazyness'.

If you're not saying she's lazy, what are you saying?

And after the lazzyness jab didnt work...

WHy do you get so cross?

Graham hasn't explained anything, he just posted a rant from someone else that was nothing to do with the discussion we were having

It's your little put downs and mentioning of rants, making things up, and taking things completely out of context to try and inflame the situation from something that wasn't even mentioned.

Graham_Devon

StevieJ wrote: »

Why have you grossed up the£9486 for tax and not the other freebies ? either we are looking at pre tax or post tax income (or equiv).

Because your gross wage would pay for those items.

Rent, council tax etc doesnt attract tax, so why would I gross them up too?

Lifeisbutadream

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Because your gross wage would pay for those items.

Rent, council tax etc doesnt attract tax, so why would I gross them up too?

Rent, council tax, milk tokens, school dinners, prescriptions, dental, college courses (to name but a few of the freebies) would have to be paid by taxpayers after tax, so the whole amount should be grossed up by tax really.

Graham_Devon

Lifeisbutadream wrote: »

Rent, council tax, milk tokens, school dinners, prescriptions, dental, college courses (to name but a few of the freebies) would have to be paid by taxpayers after tax, so the whole amount should be grossed up by tax really.

Dunno how that works, but happy to gross it all up, add's another 2k onto the total which strengthens the point! :P

Kind of sounds like taxing twice over to me?