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StevieJ

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Because your gross wage would pay for those items.

Rent, council tax etc doesnt attract tax, so why would I gross them up too?

Because you pay them out of your taxed income for example if you had your rent paid by your employer they would normally have to gross it up and deduct tax (taxable benefit).

Graham_Devon

Ahhh yes of course. Took me time, but got it now. Wouldn't be taken at source.

Woohoo. £21,500 approx all grossed up then....

Not including all the extras and not including she is in a 3 bed (just not the norm) and her council tax rate will be higher for that....

Seems my original 23k was pretty much spot on

Nice to know that the average wage here is £19,108. Point proven.

Harry_Powell

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I'd say this, which also peeved me off, does not help your cause...

And after the lazzyness jab didnt work...

It's your little put downs and mentioning of rants, making things up, and taking things completely out of context to try and inflame the situation from something that wasn't even mentioned.

Graham, I have seen you many times on the board ask people to back up their financial statements (usually property bulls who have made outlandish statements about where house prices are going). Fair enough, and I agree with you that people whould provide a bit of evidence or quote when they make a statement. All I asked was that you do the same. When you weren't forthcoming is it so outrageous to say that I thought that you must be making it up as you go along? After all, I wasn't asking for anything more than vague details about your friend.

You have mentioned this friend a couple of times to back up derogatory remarks about people on benefits, so is it so shocking that I assume you think people on benefits are lazy? If you don't think they're lazy, then what do you think about them? Do you (for instance) think they want to work but are trapped in the benefit system? I did ask for clarification on this.

The mention of 'rants' was about you pasting someone else's rant onto the board, not that you were ranting yourself so I don't see how this can be classed as a putdown (except perhaps against the person who created the original post).

Far from taking things out of context, I was trying to keep the discussion on topic and gain information about this individual that you know, rather than generalities about a jobless couple (that you copied into the discussion from somewhere else) or putting "dummy figures" into a website, neither of which were anything to do with your single mum friend's financial details.

Sorry if you were 'peeved'. I just saw that you made raised a statement about a single Mum you knew, and was interested enough to want more information about it.

Graham_Devon

I have never mentioned this friend and made derogatory comments.

I think you will find I have said before now it would make no sense for a single parent to go to work.

The derogatory comments come in only when that single parent COULD go to work, but decides not too, and all hell breaks lose because its "not fair" they should go to work when the child is in secondary school. This person in no way fits into the above. I wouldn't class anyone who I think is workshy as a "friend".

I know lots of people on benefits, it's a massive part of my job. I'm not talking the same person all the time.

Harry_Powell

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I have never mentioned this friend and made derogatory comments.

I think you will find I have said before now it would make no sense for a single parent to go to work.

The derogatory comments come in only when that single parent COULD go to work, but decides not too, and all hell breaks lose because its "not fair" they should go to work when the child is in secondary school. This person in no way fits into the above. I wouldn't class anyone who I think is workshy as a "friend".

I know lots of people on benefits, it's a massive part of my job. I'm not talking the same person all the time.

Thanks Graham for clearing that up.

wageslave

Harry_Powell wrote: »

I just saw that you made raised a statement about a single Mum you knew, and was interested enough to want more information about it.

No you weren't. You were goading, flaming, call it what you will. It's neither kind nor necessary.
But now you have apologised lets leave it at that.

Harry_Powell

wageslave wrote: »

No you weren't. You were goading, flaming, call it what you will. It's neither kind nor necessary.

Does it not occur to you that this is exactly what you're doing on this thread?

You've not joined in with the original discussion (Graham's pal) and instead all you have contributed are insults aimed at me. Perhaps you should look at your own motives?

chucky

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Ahhh yes of course. Took me time, but got it now. Wouldn't be taken at source.

Woohoo. £21,500 approx all grossed up then....

Not including all the extras and not including she is in a 3 bed (just not the norm) and her council tax rate will be higher for that....

Seems my original 23k was pretty much spot on

Nice to know that the average wage here is £19,108. Point proven.

that is crazy money... without being sexist could a a single father do the same and get as much in benefit? or is not gender specific?

Graham_Devon

Single parents would all get the same, man or women.

What we haven't included though is CSA payments, I don't believe that these class as "deductable income". Though please someone do correct me, it's only info I picked up on here.

So you could have a situation where the single mother (or father, but less likely) is also getting CSA payments of however much on top, which don't effect the benefit income, as it's for the child.

I wouldnt wanna bring a kid or two up on my own. But can see why A) people choose not to work and people choose it as a career path when leaving school. In this area, you'd have to have a pretty decent job to be getting that amount. Just looking at a job in the paper now, qualified chef for a big restaurant, working 38 hours a week, 24kpa.

So straight away, that chef is basically on the same "level" in terms of income as the single parent who does not work. And thats a qualified job. A nurse is in many cases on less than that.

It basically works out to around £12.00 per hour for a single parent with 2 kids. Thats double the minimum wage isn't it?

Harry_Powell

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Single parents would all get the same, man or women.

What we haven't included though is CSA payments, I don't believe that these class as "deductable income". Though please someone do correct me, it's only info I picked up on here.

So you could have a situation where the single mother (or father, but less likely) is also getting CSA payments of however much on top, which don't effect the benefit income, as it's for the child.

I thought the whole point of the CSA was to get the absent parent to 'pick up the slack' from the taxpayer? (i.e. reduce the amount of benefits the single parent received?)

Just goes to show what an abject failure the CSA is/was!