UK population is at least 77 million!

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julieq wrote: »

Listen, I spend a large part of my working week trying to figure out market size and market share. And I can't do it with any degree of accuracy, even knowing quite a lot about the markets I'm working on. Unless you know the number of people in the country, how do you work out what the average milk consumption per capita is? Does that go down or up if prices change? You really have no idea, and neither do Tescos.

If you "can't be bothered" to understand the methodology, and then decide to be dismissive about people who do, the statisticians, when they explain otherwise, then really you should stay out of the discussion because you can't add anything to it.

Thanks julieq for the non lesson.

If you want to be rude your not doing a bad job.

What exactly do you do for a living to work out market share? What is your job title? & What type of company do you work for?

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julieq wrote: »

Whoops, accidentally thanked that nonsense. Thanks count = thanks count -1 please.

Whats nonsense Julie?

Go on the website & do it. Have a look.

I am sure anyone reading this would have the intelliegence to do so & realise you are talking about stuff you know nothing about.

julieq

Go on then, get a vote or two under a false ID. Show us how easy it is. You may find out that cross checking against tax and other records may cause a few eyebrows to be raised, and you might get a phone call or two.

As for the rest, you know nothing about statistics or statistical analysis. You know nothing about market research, market size estimation or market share analysis. You say you "can't be bothered" to look further into the question, which doesn't show a lot of intellectual rigour, that's the least that can be said.

Knowing nothing about the subject you're making confident assertions about isn't really a great confidence booster in your conclusions, is it?

michaels

Except we have lots of councils claiming they are underfunded as the census did not count lots of theri residents who try to avoid being on official lists for whatever reason (often residency related) - I know therefore another VI but nonetheless I suspect there are reasons why the census data may be systematically biased. Would be surprised if it was a much as this tho.

julieq wrote: »

Oh for heaven's sake. Why on earth would anyone fiddle the population statistics? Even if the government could influence a fiercely independant body (which you may remember came out a few months ago to point out that they had been selectively quoted), there's no reason why they would. More people = more support for policies favoured by the government, such as an increase in building projects, action on emissions and reduction in the use of private cars.

The ONS methodology for estimating population is published, and it doesn't rely on assumptions on the rate of consumption of fish fingers, or whatever is being done in this survey (the methodology isn't published, unsurprisingly, because it's (fish) finger in the air hokum).

Governments USE ONS data to determine demographic policy. They don't create it. The only vested interest in quoting big population increases is that of the far right who want to talk up the "problem" of immigration.

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julieq wrote: »

Go on then, get a vote or two under a false ID. Show us how easy it is. You may find out that cross checking against tax and other records may cause a few eyebrows to be raised, and you might get a phone call or two.

As for the rest, you know nothing about statistics or statistical analysis. You know nothing about market research, market size estimation or market share analysis. You say you "can't be bothered" to look further into the question, which doesn't show a lot of intellectual rigour, that's the least that can be said.

Knowing nothing about the subject you're making confident assertions about isn't really a great confidence booster in your conclusions, is it?

1) I wouldnt want a fine should a somewhat vexed MSE user grasses up

2) It amazes me how a somewhat vexed MSE user can ascertain my statistical knowledge & capabilities

3) It amazes me that someone who claims to have knowledge can suggest that Tesco do not hold enough information to be able to produce an estimation that could be more accurate than any Government figure

4) It amazes me that you think Tesco have a far right agenda because

The only vested interest in quoting big population increases is that of the far right who want to talk up the "problem" of immigration.

5) If you ask me another question without answering my legitimate questions above I will ignore you as just another vexed MSE'r.


Insults are easy for you. Try something else. Try answering the questions I asked..

And by the way stats & maths are what I am very good at & I aint to bad at physics either.

Spelling & Grammar I am poor at.

dfh

I know we always talk about the fact that our local pupulation is ageing and we need foreigners to plug the gap.Can we not encourage the native people to produce more children... and then make sure they go to school and college and come out with proper qualifications so we don't have to get people from outside?

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dfh wrote: »

I know we always talk about the fact that our local pupulation is ageing and we need foreigners to plug the gap.Can we not encourage the native people to produce more children... and then make sure they go to school and college and come out with proper qualifications so we don't have to get people from outside?

Who say we need more people?

Skills shortage yes, but more people no.

dgl1001

julieq wrote: »

At the risk of introducing some accurate numbers into the discussion

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pdfdir/popest0808.pdf

Oh and before we get one of the standard set of loons claiming that these are government figures and therefore fiddled, they're not. The methodology is published and scrutinised and the numbers are not produced in any way under government influence. They're used to inform policy decisions, not for PR,just like GDP numbers are.

These figures are not accurate and only serve a political means; they 're hardly going to include the real rate of immigration - the Daily Mail would have a field day!!!!

the_ash_and_the_oak

with there being such a large shortage of places to rent in London, still kinda surprised that rents in London are kind of the same as 6-7 years ago

olly300

the_ash_and_the_oak wrote: »

with there being such a large shortage of places to rent in London, still kinda surprised that rents in London are kind of the same as 6-7 years ago

There isn't a shortage of places to rent.

The issue is there is the wrong type of housing available to rent.

If you are a well-paid professional single or couple you will have no problem renting a place. If you have one or more children or a pet then there is a shortage.