HOUSE BREAKING - Support Thread (Mind your pee's and poo's!)

foreign_correspondent

If you teach him to pee next to his bed he will be very confused - the whole idea of crating a dog overnight is that dogs naturally have an aversion to messing on or near their bed, and will hold on rather than toilet there, so teaching him to go against his natural instinct to keep his bed clean is a very bad idea - but you will need to get up in the night and take him out.

sarabe

mumhug wrote: »

we have ordered quite a large crate and the dog will not be very big
border terrier x king charles. is that going to cause problems do you think?

Make it smaller by putting an upturned cardboard box in it to start with.

mumhug

Thanx again for the advice. The cardboard box idea is very good.I wont put pads in the crate.

manda1205

We had had a brilliant fortnight, I think only one accident(it had been a while cos I cant remember, lol), now we've had 2 mornings on the trot when I get up shes already done her wee and poo, got up earlier today in the hope of catching her but didnt. Then just about 10mins ago another accident. Just when I think its all going well it all goes bad. Shes 16 weeks now its so frustrating!
Hows everyone else doing? All good?

sarabe

16 weeks is still very young. If she is having accidents it is because she needs the toilet and no one has taken her outside to go. It really is not the pup's fault.

The early morning peeing and pooing is normal for a puppy that sleeps downstairs in the kitchen. She wakes up and needs to go. With no one there to take her out she will have no choice but to go on the floor.

I have always avoided this problem by having puppy in a crate beside the bed and taking her outside as soon as she wakes at 8 weeks old and gradually getting her to 'hang on' as she gets older. All puppies are different and of all my dogs the best one was just 3 nights of disturbed sleep before she could go through the night and the worst one was still needing out in the early hours after 3 months!!!!

manda1205

Im fully aware its not her fault, and that its mine. I didn't blame her at all.
It's just annoying that I thought I had the hang of when she needed to go and how long she was holding it in, but that had seemed to go to pot at night and yesterday evening.
She managed to hold out last night so no cleaning up this morning, Last night I let her out for a lot longer and she did a poo then, so think this may be the way forward. Here's hoping!

Ziggy_Stardust

I've got a 9 week old puppy, I got her from a breeder who paper trained her however if I put paper down at home she sees it as a toy and rips it to shreds. She is very good with her poos and cries at the back door to be let out but she is very hit and miss with her wees. We let her out often, about every 30-45 mins, straight after a sleep and also after food. When she wees in the run she gets lots of praise and a treat too. She is also clean at night.

The problem, take last night for example, I will have her in the run and she does nothing, she coming in the house 5 minutes later she does a little piddle on the carpet, I take her straight out to the run - nothing, then after being in the house for 5 minutes she doe this again, this can go on all evening. I then feel myself getting really cross with her as she is being given the opportunity to do it outside, plus she knows she gets a reward for it too. I've started putting her in the crate to break this routine, I try not to make this a punishment and don't tell her off as she's going in but put her in there as I know she won't dirty and it gives me a few minutes to calm down, I hate doing this though . She is very strong willed and I don't want to break this but I just want her to learn the rules.

foreign_correspondent

she is strong willed at 9 weeks? She is just a baby - and probably very confused as to what you expect from her. Presumably you have only had her for a week? It is very, very early days.

It is a shame these breeders paper train the pups - I cant see that it helps them or the new owners at all.

I suggest you read the whole thread, and look for ideas, but also read up on training - I haven't read it, but I believe Gwen Bailey's The Perfect Puppy is good.

sarabe

Do have a read through the whole thread and you will find the help you need.

It matters not if she was going on paper at the breeders. Perhaps her whole floor was covered in paper!! You really, really do not want to be encouraging her to go on paper indoors at all.

suki1964

Ziggy_Stardust wrote: »

I've got a 9 week old puppy, I got her from a breeder who paper trained her however if I put paper down at home she sees it as a toy and rips it to shreds. She is very good with her poos and cries at the back door to be let out but she is very hit and miss with her wees. We let her out often, about every 30-45 mins, straight after a sleep and also after food. When she wees in the run she gets lots of praise and a treat too. She is also clean at night.

The problem, take last night for example, I will have her in the run and she does nothing, she coming in the house 5 minutes later she does a little piddle on the carpet, I take her straight out to the run - nothing, then after being in the house for 5 minutes she doe this again, this can go on all evening. I then feel myself getting really cross with her as she is being given the opportunity to do it outside, plus she knows she gets a reward for it too. I've started putting her in the crate to break this routine, I try not to make this a punishment and don't tell her off as she's going in but put her in there as I know she won't dirty and it gives me a few minutes to calm down, I hate doing this though . She is very strong willed and I don't want to break this but I just want her to learn the rules.

But paper is the best toy in the world to a pup - didnt you know? lol

Sorry Im not meaning to make fun, but its been my experience that putting paper down means you are just going to have a shredded mess to clean up - on top of all the cleaning up of widdles

Now I have to say Ive been lucky in that I have had a big kitchen / diner but my way of training was not to let the pup into a room with carpets, keeping him confined into the kitchen ( where I was spending 90%) of my day kept the wees to a hard floor - easy wiped up with a kitchen towel and spray (lemon)

When talking the pup out for wees, on lead and stay with him. When he starts to wee, call it something your happy with ( I use wee wee). Just keep saying wee wee wee wee ( or whatever) whilst hes in flow. Then the reward ( i just made a big big fuss)

Slowly over about a week the pup will learn that the command wee wee ( or whatever) means having a wee and a reward and you should be able to get him to wee on command in about two weeks

However you need to be out side with your pup for all wee breaks so he learns its not play time

Its a faff. Its a pain ( esp when its wet and cold, another reason not to get pups in the winter) but you have to do it else still be trying to get pup clean months down the line

ALL wees and poos need to be done outside from day one. Even if that means getting up at 3am to let them out. Reward everyone thats done outside - ignore the accidents. Accidents are just that - and are due to us humans not being able to read the signs. Pups are not wilful and do not pee everywhere just to wind you up - it just feels like it at times

Good luck