Purebred breeder T&Cs

lostinrates

Mutter wrote: »

I'd also add that if the breeder shows the sire too, it's either a back yard breeder or farm. Sires often travel hundreds of miles to mate.

This is a bit of a generalisation, IMO. I know several well respected judge/breeders who will pair their own dogs (obviously having bought in the dog or a girl not inbreeding) as well as standing their dog at stud.

But yes, not being able to see the dog is not a bad sign. Not being able to see the mother really is. You should not expect, and be dubious of someone who lets you see very tiny, new puppies, but equally older puppies should be available to see and interact with.

Mutter_2

looby-loo wrote: »

My friend just bought a puppy with so many conditions she is worried to death she wont cope, all of them seem to be opposite to the OPs experience.

She had to visit the puppy every week so it got to know her, feed a certain food at a certain time, ring with report on how it's doing, follow an exercise and grooming routine and the breeder also reserved the right to visit until the pup is 1 year old and could take it back (giving her a full refund) if she finds anything she doesn't like, etc, etc...... 5 pages of contract altogether.

I hasten to add all the conditions in the end are for the good of the dog. The OPs breeder seem to have a very strange attitude and I would go elsewhere.

Puppies under eight weeks only need their mum, not us. Looby .... all of that from the breeder is total rubbish.Tell your friend.
Your friend has been well and truly conned. I hope puppy is ok, the odds are yes. What of those who weren't?

The 5 pages are conditions of sale I imagine? tying her up in red tape. The introduction to the puppy I guess is 'cause mum dog no longer around? Was this a puppy farm? If no Mum than yes.

The 5 pages have probably tied her legally in such knots as she can't get out, even if her puppy is ill.
Please find out where she got pup from as a warning to others.

Mutter_2

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

it is worth remembering that even within pedigree breeds there is a lot of variation - the breed standards regarding temperement can only be seen as a guide rather than a guarantee. They are useful for giving you the wider picture of the breed, and it's needs but some individuals may be far from typical.

Oh absolutely agree with that. My first Cocker was far different to my latest. First was quiet though he loved playing.
My Jaf, here go the tears again, was a clown on a daily basis. I loved both equally, but very different.

MrsTinks

Londonwriter - if you look at the rescues you will find the perfect dog eventually... See my avatar?
That's a GSD/BC cross - we live in the country side and Kira never tires - if you lived closer by I'd seriously ask if you wanted her in day care :rotfl:
She's energetic but copes well with a small house, most dogs do if they get long walks
Why not check the local rescue OR contact hearing dogs - they have a lot of "rejects" in all sizes - usually because they are too energetic and bouncy - not a good quality in a hearing dog
Or even a reject police dog - usually german sheperds but they are used to living in a small kennel so a small house certainly wouldn't worry them

sammy10

Lurchers are great but stamina does depend on the cross, my last one was bullgreyhound x and could go on forever. The one I have now is greyhound x saluki and is just pathetic, 20 mins and he is heading for the sofa. (Unless like FCs mums he has something he shouldnt then he can run for miles:rolleyes:) I have a friend with collie x greys and they are beautiful. He is a fell runner and he takes them with him and they never tire.

Another friend has just payed £650 for a cockerpoo:eek: and that was reduced because he was 14 weeks and had been returned once. I tried all I could to talk her out of it but she was determined to get one, no expense spared.
I adore staffies and they are brilliant family dogs but if you are planning kids in the near future I really wouldnt go for a rescue one, they do seem to have more issues than some other breeds probably because they are wrongly seen as a meat head dog.

tiamai_d

sammy10 wrote: »

Lurchers are great but stamina does depend on the cross, my last one was bullgreyhound x and could go on forever. The one I have now is greyhound x saluki and is just pathetic, 20 mins and he is heading for the sofa. (Unless like FCs mums he has something he shouldnt then he can run for miles:rolleyes:) I have a friend with collie x greys and they are beautiful. He is a fell runner and he takes them with him and they never tire.

Another friend has just payed £650 for a cockerpoo:eek: and that was reduced because he was 14 weeks and had been returned once. I tried all I could to talk her out of it but she was determined to get one, no expense spared.
I adore staffies and they are brilliant family dogs but if you are planning kids in the near future I really wouldnt go for a rescue one, they do seem to have more issues than some other breeds probably because they are wrongly seen as a meat head dog.

I think the really sad thing is naming a would be 'breed' a cockerpoo....

Not making light by the way, it's just I'm not one for all these designer breeds.

OP, Some very good advice on here, I'd definitely take it onboard! And stay away from any breeder who won't let you see the parents and the pups on a regular basis!

lostinrates

sammy10 wrote: »

Lurchers are great but stamina does depend on the cross, my last one was bullgreyhound x and could go on forever. The one I have now is greyhound x saluki and is just pathetic, .

Exactly: yours is a sighthound/sighhound cross, essentially ''pure'' sighthound and built for speed and sofas.;):D

UKTigerlily

OP I think you sound fab . . . last October I posted saying I wanted a Dog, a Cavalier had come out on top in regards to the best suited breed for me. I actually ended up at a Rescue where I told them what I could offer a Dog & what I needed . . I was after a medium or smaller sized Dog, but not too small . . good with Cats, not a barker as i'm in a flat & also ok to be in a small flat so long as it was sufficiently exercised . . . i'd ruled Staffies out & what did I get matched to? A Staff!
Mine never barks, not when the door goes, not when the post comes, never! She has no prey drive to speak of & ignores rats & cats, will walk all day happily if I wanted to but equally is just as happy being a couch potato . . . she loves kids & all people & has never shown any signs of aggression . . . is house trained . . she'd be perfect!
She recently had an assessment to be a PAT (Pets as Therapy) Dog & did really well scoring top on all but one thing (Lead pulling, but hey it was chucking it down & she wanted to get inside the pet shop!) & even that she scored well on
So what i'm saying is to go to a Rescue, forget preconcieved ideas & tell them the characteristics you're looking for & what you can offer, so you want a Dog that loves to walk but is happy in a small place etc
You'll probably find you come away with something totally not what you thought you'd get! I didn't look around the Rescue, they immediately suggested the one I got . . remember rescues offer lifetime back up, & will insist on you taking the Dog back to them if things go wrong . . they'll be vaccinated & chipped & so on
Mine was a bargin £85 (Including the microchip & primary vaccinations) & I know if we have problems there's always the rescue to call for advice
They also know their Dogs & will have temperament/behaviour assessed them prior to placing them for adoption & many have a full history & are there through no fault of their own (Owner dying/being made redundant/no dogs allowed in new home etc)

Sorry this is so long but I really hope you find a Dog as perfect for you as mine is for me & thought i'd say how I came across mine!

hotcookie101

OP-if you walk 2 hours a day, there is no way you can bring a pup with you on those walks. Pups (especially of larger breed dogs eg lab crosses etc) should not be over-exercised until fully skeletally mature (anything up to 18mo) certainly not 73 miles over 5 days. A very general rule of thumb is 5 mins per month, but they can have more than one walk per day eg 4mo pup 2x 20mins.
You might be better looking for an adult crossbreed from a rescue, especially if you like collies etc, as you would be able to get some idea of their temperaments, which you won't know with a pup.

looby-loo_2

jenhug wrote: »

Walk away from the puppy farmers!
I have contracts with both my pedigrees.
first one is verbal but we are now like family so it doesn't concern me there is no paper contract. I met both dog and !!!!! before the mating had taken place, I visited throughout the pregnancy and another 4-5 times after the pup was born, all paper work was shown to me and explained, They were proud of the hip and elbow scores, lineage, why wouldn't they want to show it off. Owners details were passed on of pups from the last litter, I was able to contact them and I was really pleased with this.

Ongoing support and advice througout the dogs life until his death, he will always be a part of them. They care.

Second one slightly different, as she was a pup returned to breeder. The breeder does home visits and was unhappy with the care the pup had been given, she took her back, the pup almost died, and when she was returned to full health I was given the pup on a totally different contract.

With either dogs (they are also related and both breeders are friends with each other) if I needed to rehome they would be the first person to call. they demand it.

This sounds just like my friends experience and exactly how it should be. What would there be to hide by a decent breeder