Purebred breeder T&Cs

DKLS

Londonwriter wrote: »

Both told me that we couldn't:

1. Visit the parent dogs before putting down a deposit ('it stresses the dog'), even if the female was not yet pregnant;
2. See the father because he belonged to someone else;
3. See scanned copies of the health certificates or pedigree certificates before putting down a deposit;
4. Return the puppy after purchase unless I'd made 'every conceivable effort to train it' because they'd 'never had a problem' with their dogs.

Those 4 lines would have me running away this deal, in fact report to the RSPCA. Seems very suspicious withholding nearly all the info for the pups until you splash the cash.

Care to name and shame?

bettyboop61

After reading quite a few replies on this thread, I thought that I would add my opinions lol

I have what some may call designer crossbred dog, she is a sprocker, ,which is a springer spaniel/cockerspaniel cross, she is the most beautiful dog I have had the privilege to own. I let my dog have puppies and in feb of this year she had 8 beautiful puppies, when looking for new owners for the pups, I was quite happy for prospective owners come look at my dog and also the father, who was the springer spaniel across the road, these 2 dogs have know each other since they were pups and they had such lovely temperaments that we knew they would produce excellent pups and my neighbour and I were not wrong!! All the new owners were welcomed to my house before and after the pups were born, they were welcome anytime, I asked only for a £50 deposit, and also said that if they found they couldn't cope with the pup then i would gladly have the pup bk, which never happened anyway. I could have sold these pups 10 times over lol, but through this experience I have gained new friends and I get reguler updates on the puppies. I can understand people who want to be kept updated on the progress of new puppies as by the time they leave ur home you have become very attached to them, you can't but help not!!

I sold my pups for £275 which I do not think is extortionate price, and I also vetted the new owners as best I could, the only stipulation I made was that I would not let the pups go to any one who wasn't at home at least half of the day, as sprockers have the best of both breeds in them, they are intelligent but lively dogs and do need very long walks, perhaps the OP should look into getting this type of dog

Cheers

Xaviera

Where are you looking out of interest?

NO-ONE should ever buy a puppy without seeing it with it's mother in their home environment. If you don't then it's at your own peril, puppy farmers and their dealers often say you can't see them together.

You would never get asked for a deposit in advance of seeing the dogs (this sounds like a gumtree scam)

Any breeder worth their salt will take pups back, many stipulate any problems and the dog goes back to them, not into a rescue for example.

Likewise the fact they won't show you health scans and pedigree certificates is dodgy.

I'd steer well clear of wherever it is you've been looking.....Dogs today offer a puppy finding service http://www.dialadog.co.uk/index.php5?breedKey=0

Designer crossbreeds aren't the be all and end all, why not opt for a rescue crossbreed and save yourself being mugged off over hundreds of pounds?

Also walking 73 miles over 5 days is a LOT of walking for a dog, don't assume ALL dogs will be able to do this, many won't.

lostinrates

Londonwriter wrote: »

We looked at retired greyhounds (they are beautiful dogs), but discovered they were speed not stamina dogs.

Thanks for the advice - I'll think more flexibly. I think I just dismissed dogs like staffies because they have a really bad rep. I thought they'd be too dominant for me.

Yes, absolutely. They wouldn't be the ideal choice, but a collie greyhound lurcher (which many hold as the traditional lurcher) would be likely to suit. My grey would manage 3 hours I think, possibly four. And I wouldn't do it to her regularly at all: as you say, it not what she is ''made for''. Ideally she likes two spurts of madness a day, plus she (and my other dogs) walk a hour onleads with me and then she also gets 20-40 minutes pottering with some other dogs off lead.. Many luchers I've known will walk all day keeping up with horses.

Mutter_2

At £275 bettyboops, you were certainly not greedy. When I was estimating how much the Cockerpoodle was in my post I was thinking £700?
The crosses I've seen have been to eliminate some drawbacks, eg hair shedding. Hence the non shedding Poodle with a Cocker.
Did you choose the Springer from across the road as he was simply a lovely dog? Otherwise I've got the idea of crossing pedigrees wrong as a Springer and Cocker are so similar. Why not have a working Cocker?

Please don't think I'm picking, just genuinely interested in this new phenomenon.

lostinrates

Mutter wrote: »

At £275 bettyboops, you were certainly not greedy. When I was estimating how much the Cockerpoodle was in my post I was thinking £700?
The crosses I've seen have been to eliminate some drawbacks, eg hair shedding. Hence the non shedding Poodle with a Cocker.
Did you choose the Springer from across the road as he was simply a lovely dog? Otherwise I've got the idea of crossing pedigrees wrong as a Springer and Cocker are so similar. Why not have a working Cocker?

Please don't think I'm picking, just genuinely interested in this new phenomenon.

Well, I'm almost certainly in the minority in pure bred officiandos because I'm not anti outcrosses, necessarily, and feel we should keep partbred registers. Some breeds the genepools have become ridiculously comprimised. I also love seeing the rare dogs who both work and show, and applaud brave breeders prepared to look for typey outcrosses between working/showing lines where practicable.

If we registered partbreds as well as freshening the genepool we'd be keeping better records for furure reference. I also feel we should allways record the cause of death. I recognise I'm vastly in the mnority. But all breeds were selcetively bred, and most were at one time cross breeds. I'd just like to see things come under the one banner and be well moniotred.

bettyboop61

If you would like to see a pic of my dogs and her puppies londonwriter then send me a pm and I will e-mail you some pics, can't figure out how to put them on here lol and my dog does have the capacity to walk all day!!

bettyboop61

Hi mutter,

I chose the dog across the road 1. because I knew him and knew he was a lovely dog, he is a pure bred springer. 2. because he is the same size as my dog, which would cause less problems for my dog re birthing issues and 3. because I think that Sprockers make a lovely dog, thats just my opinion. My dogs mother was a springer spaniel and the father was a working cocker, which I saw when I went to view my pup, and realised that the working coker is larger than a normal cocker which my sister has.

I also have to add that there is an awful lot of very very hard work in caring for a mother and litter of pups, I had no sleep for the first 2 weeks, and that is no exaggeration, then there is the constant cleaning of bedding eg washing and drying, the weaning process is very messy if you can imagine 8 puppies walking in the food and getting covered in it, funny at first, but becomes very tiresome after a while lol and the last few weeks before they leave you are the hardest I would say due to the constant cleaning, as by then the mother does not really do much of the cleaning of her pups! Although my dog did still try to do it, but I stopped her, didn't think it was healthy for her cleaning up 8 dogs messes numerous times a day. So anybody thinking of letting their dog have pups, think very carefully because it takes an awful lot of time and committment!!

Also would like to add that my dog is excellent off the lead, she has no interest in other dogs, she is typical of working dog breed in that as soon as she is off the lead then she is in tracking mode lol, she loves water and will be in it where ever there is some!

Mutter_2

Xaviera wrote: »

Where are you looking out of interest?

NO-ONE should ever buy a puppy without seeing it with it's mother in their home environment. If you don't then it's at your own peril, puppy farmers and their dealers often say you can't see them together.

You would never get asked for a deposit in advance of seeing the dogs (this sounds like a gumtree scam)

Any breeder worth their salt will take pups back, many stipulate any problems and the dog goes back to them, not into a rescue for example.

Likewise the fact they won't show you health scans and pedigree certificates is dodgy.

I'd steer well clear of wherever it is you've been looking.....Dogs today offer a puppy finding service http://www.dialadog.co.uk/index.php5?breedKey=0

Designer crossbreeds aren't the be all and end all, why not opt for a rescue crossbreed and save yourself being mugged off over hundreds of pounds?

Also walking 73 miles over 5 days is a LOT of walking for a dog, don't assume ALL dogs will be able to do this, many won't.

I'd also add that if the breeder shows the sire too, it's either a back yard breeder or farm. Sires often travel hundreds of miles to mate.

You have to be able to view the mother (Dam) with her puppies.

I think the best advice I could give is to take time in finding a family dog member. Whether that's a rescue or pup from a breeder. Slow down, do lots of research and think months ahead rather than days.
Even a rescue dog will need a lot of time getting to know you.

Something too is if you want your dog off the lead on walks, avoid the fighting breeds. Unless you wish to alienate your fellow walkers.

Here's a bit of fun to see whether your dog should stay or did you make a mistake.
http://www.selectsmart.com/DOG/

How about a Border Terrier? Affectionate and hardy little dogs, can go all day, though may disappear down a hole on the hike. Wiry coat that doesn't shed.

foreign_correspondent

it is worth remembering that even within pedigree breeds there is a lot of variation - the breed standards regarding temperement can only be seen as a guide rather than a guarantee. They are useful for giving you the wider picture of the breed, and it's needs but some individuals may be far from typical.