Indicating on a roundabout

janninew

exup wrote: »

You dont really need to indicate to set off from outside your house if there is anybody about - because if there is - its not safe to set off. If its clear and safe to set off then the indicator won't be needed -

What about pedestrains on the other side of the road say? I was always taught to indicate if it would benefit both road users and pedestrians alike.

hundredk

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

You seem to have a very high opinion of your own driving skill, congratulations if that is the case, however the saying "pride comes before a fall" springs to mind. As for your opinions on other road users, and I'm not quite sure where you got the aspect of ditherers in relation to this thread? (Because some seem to think misguided signals may help others when in fact all they are doing is dithering and over compensating for lack of observation, sensory and motor skills necessary in order to negotiate safely through the traffic) Well, yes, they are hazards and are to be expected. Don't forget not every one can rise to your skill levels :rolleyes:. (Sadly I realise that;)) You carry on not signalling and I'll signal just in case I missed something. (I will, and don't worry I'll be looking out for you while your fiddling with your stalk).:rotfl:




That sums up your superior attitude very nicely so I'll leave it at that, don't forget to post when you wipe out that biker that might just have benefitted from your signal, had you seen him and given one.

Thank god all drivers don't have your skill levels :rolleyes::rolleyes:

No need to over emphasise your fonts to me - remember I can observe as appropriate, an area of skill you seem to struggle with. Oh silly me, I've just realised it is for the benefit of others with the same deficit.

As for the biker you mentioned, haven't you seen the ad here where the car pulls out and asks when did you see the bike? Notice the car was indicating but the driver with your mindset failed to see the bike through lack of observation. As I'm sure you realise by now, I represent the driver on the last take who actually saw the bike because I look rather than think the signal allows others to look for me. Oh, and yes, as in the ad I would signal in this instance because I had observed the bike and therefore deemed the signal necessary. Of course you would have signalled too but not seen the bike until it was planted in your airbag - what good is your "just in case" signal then?

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

Thank god all drivers don't have your skill levels :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Well if they did there would be far less accidents because they would be looking and evaluating rather than relying on blind signals.
Of course what you fail to realise is that all my points are relevant to what driving instructors teach in order to pass the test (including the advanced test). This habit of yours to signal when unnecessary is just to compensate for the fact you have no faith in your own judgement and rely on others seeing you when you haven't seen them.

tomstickland

Whilst talking about roundabouts, a classic case where ditherers pose a serious risk to themselves is by stopping at the entrance even if the roundabout is clear. Following drivers will be looking at the roundabout, see nothing, keep looking and then run into the back of the stopped vehicle.

Of course, the following vehicles are in the wrong too, but my top tip is to look out for this.

gedebage

Easy answer to this. I know the rules are the same here as in Australia, yet many people in this country forget they have indicators fitted to their cars, not only for roundabouts also lane changing and turning as well. I do find that UK drivers are much better than Aussie ones when it comes to lane discipline and also tend to be more courteous, anyway as far as roundabouts are concerned. You must always indicate off a roundabout, so if going straight ahead as you are passing the first exit indicate you are leaving the next exit. When turning right indicate right before you enter the roundabout then left as you are about to exit.

GrammarGirl

tomstickland wrote: »

Whilst talking about roundabouts, a classic case where ditherers pose a serious risk to themselves is by stopping at the entrance even if the roundabout is clear. Following drivers will be looking at the roundabout, see nothing, keep looking and then run into the back of the stopped vehicle.

Of course, the following vehicles are in the wrong too, but my top tip is to look out for this.

That's exactly how I had my first bump. Roundabout was perfectly clear, I was looking right to make sure no one came speeding round, guy in front of me stopped dead. Luckily I managed to stop quickly (was moving slowly) and only gently tapped his car... unfortunately he had a towbar that put a lovely dent in my bonnet.

I'm constantly surprised at how many people don't know how to use roundabouts. It annoys me no end when people to my right wave me across (mostly on mini roundabouts and they think they're doing me a favour). It's your right of way, GO!!

goldspanners

will this not help solve the arguement?

watch the flashing indicators of the vehicles and thier road position.

olly300

goldspanners wrote: »

will this not help solve the arguement?

watch the flashing indicators of the vehicles and thier road position.

I think it's a case you can't teach an old (and dangerous) dog new tricks.

olly300

janninew wrote: »

What about pedestrains on the other side of the road say? I was always taught to indicate if it would benefit both road users and pedestrians alike.

Many times I've have been nearly run over by drivers not indicating when I'm running. They presume incorrectly just because you are pedestrian you don't need to know whether they are turning or what exit they are taking on the roundabout, when in fact you time crossing the road against the speed they are going so neither of you are at risk.

On one occasion I got a load of abuse from a guy who couldn't make up his mind where he was going because I crossed the road in front of him and he didn't see me. Yet I had been watching drive very slowly down the road go around the roundabout in one direction then come back very slowly.

cyclonebri1

hundredk wrote: »

No need to over emphasise your fonts to me - remember I can observe as appropriate, an area of skill you seem to struggle with. Oh silly me, I've just realised it is for the benefit of others with the same deficit.

As for the biker you mentioned, haven't you seen the ad here where the car pulls out and asks when did you see the bike? Notice the car was indicating but the driver with your mindset failed to see the bike through lack of observation. As I'm sure you realise by now, I represent the driver on the last take who actually saw the bike because I look rather than think the signal allows others to look for me. Oh, and yes, as in the ad I would signal in this instance because I had observed the bike and therefore deemed the signal necessary. Of course you would have signalled too but not seen the bike until it was planted in your airbag - what good is your "just in case" signal then?




Well if they did there would be far less accidents because they would be looking and evaluating rather than relying on blind signals.
Of course what you fail to realise is that all my points are relevant to what driving instructors teach in order to pass the test (including the advanced test). This habit of yours to signal when unnecessary is just to compensate for the fact you have no faith in your own judgement and rely on others seeing you when you haven't seen them.

Like I said before you do it your way and I'll do it mine.
You have nothing but make assumptions about my driving, including calling me a ditherer, not observing etc etc.
Let me spell it out for you, I drive normally, too quickly at times (unlike you I'm not perfect). I observe and then even if theres nothing insight but theres a possibility that their could be someone just round the corner, I signal to give a final level of insurance.

You seem to want to remove the signal out of mirror, signal, manoever whenever you don't feel it necessary.

The only other thing youv'e said is how good a driver you are, which to be honest is worth nothing to anyone.

If you want to continue your onslaght on me thats fine but keep it to what I actually said, not what you read, or I could turn green

hundredk

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

Like I said before you do it your way and I'll do it mine.

Yes, that's where you said you'd leave it at that, then changed your mind.

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

You have nothing but make assumptions about my driving, including calling me a ditherer, not observing etc etc.
Let me spell it out for you, I drive normally, too quickly at times (unlike you I'm not perfect). I observe and then even if theres nothing insight but theres a possibility that their could be someone just round the corner, I signal to give a final level of insurance.

I haven't made any assumptions, I described some examples of ditherers and you decided that cap fitted you. I accept you observe and read that when you posted it the first time, but observe to what level? I note you haven't explained how the signal helped the biker.

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

You seem to want to remove the signal out of mirror, signal, manoever whenever you don't feel it necessary.

I said no point in signalling when unnecessary (which is a judgement made on the basis of the prevailing conditions at the time). This is something totally different to remove every signal. Where did I say remove every signal? What I am saying is the signal does not replace observation, so what is the use of indicating just in case to then pull out into someone you haven't seen?

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

The only other thing youv'e said is how good a driver you are, which to be honest is worth nothing to anyone.

You kindly said that, I acknowledged it. Truth is you can't know from a forum how good a driver I am (or not;)). What you can (try) to do is support the logic behind the points you make or at least back it up with relevant references (eg like the Highway code in this instance). As you have not done this I have merely commented on how your own decision to "look and then signal even if I see no one" may lead you into a sense of misguided security.

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

If you want to continue your onslaght on me thats fine but keep it to what I actually said, not what you read, or I could turn green

Is that Green as in hulk or envy?:D