Indicating on a roundabout

DCFC79

Dont get me started on roundabout, i think theres something in the water which the drivers i encounter drink, they dont either indicate hen leaving the roundabout or when going straight over they dont leave enough room on the roundabout for a 2nd car to go right

DCFC79

BritRael wrote: »

A few weeks ago, I had a discussion with the new head of traffic control at work about how to handle roundabouts.

As he is an advanced driver he informed me of his (correct) method;

1) Turning left, get in the left lane and indicate left - we agreed.
2) Going straight ahead, either lane, do not indicate - we disagreed.
3) Turning right - either lane, do not indicate - we disagreed.

I told him that my method is to indicate at all times to show everybody what I'm doing. i.e. if going straight ahead, I indicate right (showing that I'm going around the roundabout, and more specifically, that I am not turning left), and after passing the junction before the one that I want, I indicate left. This is to help anybody behind me and also anybody waiting to come out of the junction that I am about to turn in to (saves them waiting for nothing).

Any thoughts/comments?

where did you learn to drive,

if your going straight over then you dont indicate at all
if your going right eg last exit then you get in the right hand lane and indicate right
if your going left then obviously get in the left lane and indicate left

i was taught to use the left lane to go straight on unless the road signs or painted road signs say otherwise eg sign saying left lane for turning left only or an arrow painted in the left lane leading up to the roundabout(this is based on there being 2 lanes leading up to the roundabout)

if theres 3 lanes leading to the roundabout then left for left only, middle lane for straight on and right hand lane for right only

tomstickland

DCFC79 wrote: »

if your going straight over then you dont indicate at all

Yes you do. Indicate left as you pass the last turn off before they one you are taking.

hundredk

DCFC79 wrote: »

where did you learn to drive,

BritRael wrote: »

Funnily enough, when I did my last driving test (in Oman),

Maybe this is where everyone went wrong - they assumed OP was referring to driving in the UK? At least we all now know the correct way to signal when driving in Oman.:rolleyes:

cyclonebri1

hundredk wrote: »

Well unless you hit something stationary your methods of signalling when no one is there should keep you accident free:rolleyes:. But are you saying that people who don't signal when no one can see it are more likely to have an accident. IMO I think not because they are reading the road and situation.


So you signal all the time to avoid actually looking and in the hope that someone may benefit?

If you read my post properly you will see I was referrring to drivers who signal when not necessary. If you are driving and there is no one to signal to on the road and surrounding highway then the signal is not necessary. You know this by observing ahead and all around (a point that is reinforced even more in advanced driving). If you cannot observe enough to make that judgement then you are a hazard on the road.



From years of accident free motoring good observation. Ditherers who creep all the way round roundabouts in the left lane with right indicator on are a hazard, as are those who hover with their right signal at T junctions (when the signal is necessaray) waiting to pull out, only to do so when the gap they had has halved yet still they carry on oblivious to the fact that traffic with the right of way has braked to avoid an accident - but hey, that's OK they had their indicator on to rely on competent drivers to compensate for their lack of observation.

But are you saying that people who don't signal when no one can see it are more likely to have an accident

No, I'm saying one day they will fail to see someone and as their,(or your) over confidence has blinded them to hazards

So you signal all the time to avoid actually looking and in the hope that someone may benefit?

No, you have added that bit, I look and then signal even if I see no one. Have you heard of blind spots?

If you read my post properly you will see I was referrring to drivers who signal when not necessary. If you are driving and there is no one to signal to on the road and surrounding highway then the signal is not necessary. You know this by observing ahead and all around (a point that is reinforced even more in advanced driving). If you cannot observe enough to make that judgement then you are a hazard on the road.

I know exactly what you said, I can read properly. However I can't agree with your view of " If I think it's safe, I'll not bother to signal". Next thing a lazy attitude develops and we know where it goes from there.

From years of accident free motoring good observation. Ditherers who creep all the way round roundabouts in the left lane with right indicator on are a hazard, as are those who hover with their right signal at T junctions (when the signal is necessaray) waiting to pull out, only to do so when the gap they had has halved yet still they carry on oblivious to the fact that traffic with the right of way has braked to avoid an accident - but hey, that's OK they had their indicator on to rely on competent drivers to compensate for their lack of observation

You seem to have a very high opinion of your own driving skill, congratulations if that is the case, however the saying "pride comes before a fall" springs to mind. As for your opinions on other road users, and I'm not quite sure where you got the aspect of ditherers in relation to this thread? Well, yes, they are hazards and are to be expected. Don't forget not every one can rise to your skill levels :rolleyes:. You carry on not signalling and I'll signal just in case I missed something.

DCFC79

tomstickland wrote: »

Yes you do. Indicate left as you pass the last turn off before they one you are taking.

yes i missed that bit out

DCFC79

hundredk wrote: »

Maybe this is where everyone went wrong - they assumed OP was referring to driving in the UK? At least we all now know the correct way to signal when driving in Oman.:rolleyes:

missed that bit, thanks

hundredk

Replies in amber just in case you find them useful...

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

But are you saying that people who don't signal when no one can see it are more likely to have an accident

No, I'm saying one day they will fail to see someone and as their,(or your) over confidence has blinded them to hazards

The vast majority (95%) of sensory input to the brain required for driving comes from vision, which makes perfect sense because as you and others' move, the conditions are constantly changing. As I said previously observation is the key to good driving and people who fail to spot a hazard are not observant enough.

Your notion of signalling "just in case" merely supports the fact that you rely on the more observant driver (me) to save himself from an accident by spotting the less observant driver (you). Drivers who signal whilst thinking no one is there to "force" themselves into good habits must do so because they are compensating their inability trust themselves to observe and respond to the the conditions presented.

So you signal all the time to avoid actually looking and in the hope that someone may benefit?

No, you have added that bit, (Not added, it was a question) I look and then signal even if I see no one. (In the hope they see you) Have you heard of blind spots? Yes. Again, to help you with this dilemma, observation is the key and if you are approaching a blind spot it is your resonsibility to ensure you have clear passage and right of way. Or do you think it is acceptable to drive into a space you cannot see is clear just because you have an indicator on? If not what purpose does the signal serve?

If you read my post properly you will see I was referrring to drivers who signal when not necessary. If you are driving and there is no one to signal to on the road and surrounding highway then the signal is not necessary. You know this by observing ahead and all around (a point that is reinforced even more in advanced driving). If you cannot observe enough to make that judgement then you are a hazard on the road.

I know exactly what you said, I can read properly. However I can't agree with your view of " If I think it's safe, I'll not bother to signal". (As you say you can read so you'll know I was referrring to drivers who signal when not necessary - that is not the same as "thinking it is safe")
Next thing a lazy attitude develops and we know where it goes from there.
To quote yourself, "I don't quite understand where you got that association from;)"
Actually I do it's your opinion (no problem with that at all), but nevertheless the association is the same as 2nd orange para above.:D

From years of accident free motoring good observation. Ditherers who creep all the way round roundabouts in the left lane with right indicator on are a hazard, as are those who hover with their right signal at T junctions (when the signal is necessaray) waiting to pull out, only to do so when the gap they had has halved yet still they carry on oblivious to the fact that traffic with the right of way has braked to avoid an accident - but hey, that's OK they had their indicator on to rely on competent drivers to compensate for their lack of observation

You seem to have a very high opinion of your own driving skill, congratulations if that is the case, however the saying "pride comes before a fall" springs to mind. As for your opinions on other road users, and I'm not quite sure where you got the aspect of ditherers in relation to this thread? (Because some seem to think misguided signals may help others when in fact all they are doing is dithering and over compensating for lack of observation, sensory and motor skills necessary in order to negotiate safely through the traffic) Well, yes, they are hazards and are to be expected. Don't forget not every one can rise to your skill levels :rolleyes:. (Sadly I realise that;)) You carry on not signalling and I'll signal just in case I missed something. (I will, and don't worry I'll be looking out for you while your fiddling with your stalk).:rotfl:

exup

janninew wrote: »

Hi

My driving instructor taught me to always indicate at a roundabout, regardless if there is anybody around. He told me when pulling off from the road (from outside my house for example) that you check all around for cars and people and then only indicate if there was anybody about.

You dont really need to indicate to set off from outside your house if there is anybody about - because if there is - its not safe to set off. If its clear and safe to set off then the indicator won't be needed -

cyclonebri1

hundredk wrote: »

Replies in amber just in case you find them useful...

You seem to have a very high opinion of your own driving skill, congratulations if that is the case, however the saying "pride comes before a fall" springs to mind. As for your opinions on other road users, and I'm not quite sure where you got the aspect of ditherers in relation to this thread? (Because some seem to think misguided signals may help others when in fact all they are doing is dithering and over compensating for lack of observation, sensory and motor skills necessary in order to negotiate safely through the traffic) Well, yes, they are hazards and are to be expected. Don't forget not every one can rise to your skill levels :rolleyes:. (Sadly I realise that;)) You carry on not signalling and I'll signal just in case I missed something. (I will, and don't worry I'll be looking out for you while your fiddling with your stalk).:rotfl:




That sums up your superior attitude very nicely so I'll leave it at that, don't forget to post when you wipe out that biker that might just have benefitted from your signal, had you seen him and given one.

Thank god all drivers don't have your skill levels :rolleyes::rolleyes: