Indicating on a roundabout

cyclonebri1

hundredk wrote: »

Never said I'd got a cape, I believe it's kryptonite. Sheesh, what is your problem with me being alert and observing - I'm only doing what is required to drive at advanced level. O level results out today - hope you haven't condemned your grandchildren for being proud of their ability when they prove to be high achievers. Sorry, off topic, I got 6 A's and 2 B's when they were proper O levels and they could say fail for less than C. I was proud of that then and still am now - does that make me all the things you've said? :eek: OMG can you deduce I am a bit old from that?

When I become old I fully accept some of my faculties such as eyesight, hearing and reactions will deteriorate. This is bound to impact on driving skills (even for me), however much it is not wished for. In terms of driving I think there should be a retest and a certain age, maybe 70 - I wonder how many would fail on eyesight alone? Also I'd say right now that anyone who passed their test 20/30/40 years ago will have done so in far different conditions to those presented on todays roads and tests.

You didn't directly say you didn't like me, but I generally take abuse as being negative. Glad you like me:D, I have been told many times I am a very nice person. Thanks for assuming I am a chap, can I assume you are a lady? Thats about the only assumption you haven't made

No need to apologise to others - it has probably kept them amused like it has me. Don't take things to heart, it's only a thread.:grouphug: As you are so affected by me posting my observations in #69 I'll post again in the hope that you understand this is not a personal attack on you, just a valid queries regarding this bit.

As for the Sherlock bit, your generalisation saying "they" are not valid without referencing which points? How does that validate anything you say? By this principle, as soon as someone types "no that's not right" the thread ends.

So if you can't counter the points then the deduction stands. I won't be upset if you disagree.

:rolleyes: Oh I see, I spelt "Kriptonite wrong", you've joined the grammar police as well now?, can you find anything else about me to criticise

"I am more educated than you, I've got proper O levels", which I think is what you mean seems to be something new you've brought to the table. Pity I too went to a proper grammar school and got equally good results, but don't normally wave them around in an attempt to exert superiority over everyone.

And that really is what your argument has been about. From your 1st post you have rubbished the driving, observation, spelling etc etc, every time I posted, brought the age thing into play as well, as you view old drivers as inferior.
You didn't want a debate about driving roundabouts, you wanted one about you. :T:T
The other sad thing is from your last post I think you may even be older than me:rotfl:, but I suppose in your view that also makes you superior? :think: :think: :think:

PS,
I've ended with a question so feel free to carry on, I'm sure you will.

almillar

DaveF, I'll give you half a point for that - it refers to pulling out from a stop, and I suppose it allows for someone in a cul-de-sac with no-one around at 2 in the morning, but I can see how that principle could be stretched to junctions. I think it stretches the interpretation though. I never said that signalling is robotic, we were talking about whether to indicate when people are around or not, not about indicating too early or late, that's a whole other debate for people to get hot and heavy about! As I said, I see the positives of both sides of the argument, and I think that anyone that is in this thread and actually discussing and thinking this much about others' and their own driving, hopefully are amongst the better drivers on the road anyway. But I stand by my opinion that the 'indicate everytime' rule should be taught to L-testers, in the same way as you have to put your handbrake on at a stop line in your driving test. It's just a good habit.

cyclonebri1

hundredk wrote: »

No something that is applied correctly, unlike you blindly [STRIKE]flashing[/STRIKE] indicating away in the middle of nowhere.

Sorry, but just another figment of your vivid imagination. Just where did you get that from? Has anyone said "only or don't signal on rural or urban roundabouts?"

Every post you add simply adds other garbage thats coming from your rather messed up mind. I've obviously got to you or "struck a vein". Carry on :rotfl:

Sorry if I misss spelt anything.:kisses:


Never had so much fun since I fell off mi bike, :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

DaveF327

almillar wrote: »

in the same way as you have to put your handbrake on at a stop line in your driving test. It's just a good habit.

..actually, you don't. (slightly off-topic, sorry )

The requirement is to completely stop, whether by footbrake, handbrake or whatever - and you usually stop with the footbrake before applying the handbrake anyway. The handbrake is immaterial in law, but some instructors do advocate using it for those dopey learners who can't quite grasp the concept of what a complete stop actually means.

janninew

DaveF327 wrote: »

..actually, you don't. (slightly off-topic, sorry )

The requirement is to completely stop, whether by footbrake, handbrake or whatever - and you usually stop with the footbrake before applying the handbrake anyway. The handbrake is immaterial in law, but some instructors do advocate using it for those dopey learners who can't quite grasp the concept of what a complete stop actually means.

My instructor told me to always use the handbrake at a stop sign (i dont now i've passed, i just use the footbrake!) He told me this shows the examiner that you have stopped completely, he had 2 students fail for not using the handbrake at a stop sign on their test. I don't think its just taught to the 'dopey' learners!

GSXRCarlos

handbrake doesn't show other drivers what you're doing, there are no lights connected to it. however footbrake has lights

janninew

GSXRCarlos wrote: »

handbrake doesn't show other drivers what you're doing, there are no lights connected to it. however footbrake has lights

I agree, but you would use the footbrake to slow down, then when at the end of the road, pop your handbrake on. The driver behind should know what you are doing, especially if your in a learner car. I wouldn't dream of using my handbrake now at a stop sign, but I am wary if i'm behind a learner car as I remember what I was taught. But at the end of the day you shouldn't be that close to the car in front that them putting the handbrake on would affect you!

DaveF327

janninew wrote: »

My instructor told me to always use the handbrake at a stop sign

As I said, some instructors advocate it. Perhaps my reference to "dopey" was a little strong, but good instructors should tailor their lessons to the capabilities and intelligence of their students.

(i dont now i've passed, i just use the footbrake!)

So you know you can comply with the law without one, then

He told me this shows the examiner that you have stopped completely,

Yes, it would, even though examiners are experienced enough to know a complete stop anyway. However, it reinforces it to the learner more which is probably why he told you that.

he had 2 students fail for not using the handbrake at a stop sign on their test.

So they didn't completely stop. The examiner wouldn't have considered the handbrake, only the momentum (or ideally, inertia) of the car. A lot of learners will say afterwards, "I thought I stopped!"

I don't think its just taught to the 'dopey' learners!

Good instructors do. A good instructor will teach the exact letter of the law, then be prepared to change their approach for those who persistently "thought" they stopped (see above). Bad or lazy instructors (who just look for the quickest and simplest way to pass a test without actually teaching people to drive and think for themselves) will cut corners by saying stuff like "just pull it on all the time, just in case." Yes, the advice will cause them to comply with the law, but doesn't change the fact that regulations under s.36 of the Road Traffic Act only refer to the requirement to stop, without referring to the means to do so.

cyclonebri1

hundredk wrote: »

I got 6 A's and 2 B's when they were proper O levels and they could say fail for less than C. .

Forgot to mention, when they were proper O levels they were graded 1 to 9, not alphabetically. 1 down to 6 were still passes, 7 to 9 failed. Were yours real ones?:wall::wall::wall:
Maybe you are thinking about CSE's,:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

janninew

I do agree with everything you have said Davef! Surely though when your on your test its better to use your handbrake at stop signs, just in case, the driving examiner isn't going to fail you for doing this! After you've passed, you can use the footbrake like everybody else. There are lots of stop junctions in my local area and I had 3 on my test route, I used the handbrake each time and wasn't marked incorrectly for doing so!