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freakyogre

cw18 wrote: »

It's not an appliance that many people I know actually have..... in fact, I'd go so far as to say the only person I ever visit who has one is my brother!!!

The only person I know who has one is my sister. I really don't like them, I don't think they clean things properly and some things seem to come out scratched. And they seem to smell. I'll stop ranting now.

I live on my own in a rented flat and had to laugh on Monday as my sister and niece came over to visit. My niece had some cake and when she'd finished she walked into my (tiny) kitchen with her plate in hand and said 'don't you have a dishwasher?'. Errrrrm, no!

If I did, i'd never have any plates as I believe you're meant to run them when they're full and with just me here eating, that could take a while. Plus I do actually enjoy washing up, especially in the winter as it warms my hands up!

MrsE_2

brazilianwax wrote: »

i bet the starter flame needs electric

and unless you have a combi boiler you need to heat a whole tank of water to wash up

I hate condensor boilers for that reason, I got one.

MrsE_2

freakyogre wrote: »

The only person I know who has one is my sister. I really don't like them, I don't think they clean things properly and some things seem to come out scratched. And the seem to smell. I'll stop ranting now.

I think the really old models smelt funny, the modern ones don't.

I handwash my glasses.

brazilianwax

My dishes, glasses, pans, bakeware etc come out beautifully.

Just need to train OH to fill and empty the damn thing and it will be perfect :rolleyes:

cw18

pelirocco wrote: »

If you think veal is unethical you need to rethink using milk

As I said, I know conditions are supposedly a lot better now than when I was a child and learned about how it was 'made'. But I still have a mental block to it, and would always be worrying about exactly where the piece I was looking at had come from....... I would hope I can trust the labels on the packs, but tend to get jittery as it certainly used to be the case that appliances could be sold as 'made' in the country that assembled them, even if the parts were made elsewhere. Can't help wondering how much this carries through to meat products in that they could have been partially reared elsewhere

Hubby used to eat veal once in a while - but if he wanted it then he had to buy it and cook it. I'd rather the male calves were slaughered at birth than force fed while living in crates that didn't give them any movement room (hence the total avoidance of it in Italy)

zippychick

MrsE wrote: »

I hate combi boilers for that reason, I got one.

I thought a combi boiler was more economical as there was only hot water produced when you request it, so no wasting of heated water? Although, that is from my brain and not from google or fact.:o

Ok i had to google it

In contrast to other boilers, a combi-boiler only heats up hot water as and when you need it - so not only can you expect significant savings on your energy costs but you will also be doing your bit for the environment by increasing the energy efficiency of your home. A combination boiler also delivers hot water at mains pressure - so you can enjoy a powerful shower or quick running bath.

From here

MrsE_2

zippychick wrote: »

I thought a combi boiler was more economical as there was only hot water produced when you request it, so no wasting of heated water? Although, that is from my brain and not from google or fact.:o

Shall I go back & edit that:o

Its condensors that are rubbish - thats what I have.

zippychick

MrsE wrote: »

Shall I go back & edit that:o

Its condensors that are rubbish - thats what I have.

Up to yourself MrsE, easy enough mistake to make! I just thought i knew that as I got Gas put in when i bought here, and thats one of the few things I remember (apart from paying the bill!)

geordie_joe

cw18 wrote: »

As I said, I know conditions are supposedly a lot better now than when I was a child and learned about how it was 'made'. But I still have a mental block to it, and would always be worrying about exactly where the piece I was looking at had come from....... I would hope I can trust the labels on the packs, but tend to get jittery as it certainly used to be the case that appliances could be sold as 'made' in the country that assembled them, even if the parts were made elsewhere. Can't help wondering how much this carries through to meat products in that they could have been partially reared elsewhere

I would have thought veal was the one product you don't need to look at the label to see where it came from, or how it was produced.

There are two types of veal, white and pink (rose). To get white veal you have to keep the calf in a crate so it can't move and feed it liquid milk substitute.

If you let the calf live naturally, move around etc. it's meat turns pink.

So it's simple, white veal comes from calves kept in crates, pink veal does not.

Keeping calves in crates was made illegal in the UK around 20 years ago. So any veal that is white did not originate in the UK. Pink veal almost certainly did originate in the UK. Europe banned crates a couple of years ago, but as they like white veal they allowed slatted floors. These floors have the same effect as crates, they stop the calf moving round, and it's meat turning pink.

cw18

geordie_joe wrote: »

I would have thought veal was the one product you don't need to look at the label to see where it came from, or how it was produced.
.......
So it's simple, white veal comes from calves kept in crates, pink veal does not.

But unless I see the two side by side I wouldn't have a clue how white/pink the two version are

It's a moot point anyway, as my (enforced) budget won't cover the cost of buying it