fluoride in water

Volcano

kittie wrote: »

I use a good water filter, which gets rid of all the nasties

Very unlikely unless you have a reverse osmosis system or distillation plant in your back garden!

Standard filters won't filter out fluoride; in the UK they're probably best for those who get their water from a well or those who don't like the taste of tap water.

gpb_2

I could give you lots about toxic waste sodium fluoride information and its start in life when it was such a toxic waste product they were killing ocean life dumping at sea (they still do )so they started giving it to USA humans NOW US, BANNED IN EUROPEAN UNION IOM Scotland , it belonged to john Kerry's wife the Hinze hairess from the aluminimum industry (just do your own search and find your truth not what some government doctor scientist tells you trust me I am a dotor no longer fits their make up),a doctor who is told something in training and his view does not change unless science knows different and tells him so but even the government have not heard there own scientists ,which/who have been egnored ,just like the globle warming con ,its planetary change but they, the ethicle scientists are never heard or are threatend by, if you do not keep your mouth shut you will not keep your job or get your funding ,they now know mercury imalgam filling in teeth is/are killing people, government scientists have said so ,this is also creating illness said by the governments own chief scientists who do not want it to get out because of all the compensation claims .I say no one has the right to give anyone anything they do not want, more so, some private water company, through none elected officials, the area health authority and who would trust New labour anyway .Not ME .With food I can put it back on the shelf .I have to drink water ,we all do ,so its in everything that as a water content ,even your beer .If you or children wish to take it go ahead OK , not me ,not ever and why would I pay someone to mass medicate me anyway ,so I will fight this to the death becasue this is what it will do eventualy , brush your teeth take responsibility for you and your children.But do not try to mass medicate me, the bill payer ,if any dentist or doctor believes they are free to think what they want and not what drug companys dictate as we all know, the human race is a cash cow for doctors GPs and government and drug company's ,we have to agree we have more diease's illness and when we come up with a cure no one can afford it why all the dieases ,we have ask this, their is a massive industry created to take your money ,so there we have it, its all a con, we have that many illnesses we cannot cope with the cash cow called drug companys and the NHS but they want us all private, like the USA where if you do not have insurence you do not get treated .Gordon Good old Brown is taking us this way ,as is new Labour and all of them who steal our tax money giving it to the bankers who stole it anyway in the first place and you /we all have to work longer harder for less to pay for their fraud against us all and all those who come after us, your childrens children will pay the price with war terror all because of our invasion of other lands ,remember they who make the laws break the laws with immunity , illness ,its created by ourself with additives in food and water MSG /additives/preservitives / colourings/ fats /bad fats /e-numbers and prescription drugs kill more people than vitimines and minerals and vitimine C, yet government through drug companys want to ban vitimins and minerals and good old vitime C ,while putting stuff in water to attack our immune system , where do we say ,no because the next time they wish to add anything in food or water where do you draw the line and would anyone really trust our medical proffession or the dentists who just make money while people cannot find a dentist or get good medical treatment ,unless their is an election coming up when they are in pain ,our old people started to pull their own teeth because they could not afford to go to dentists .They should tell the truth of the origin's of sodium fluoride and we should all have choise to drink without fear of pollutants in anything we consume ,think about this ,other peoples medication PEE disinfectants pesticide herbicides mashed up toilet paper bleeches cannot be cleaned out so we drink used water that as been inside at least 200 people before it reaches our lips .Comment to our dental friend, a monk joined the abbey ,monk said what shall i do ,old monk said sit their and copy that manuscript, he said what if someone has made a mistake ,old monk said don't be stupid boy(pike) old joke dads army ?for those old enought to know of this TV sitcom ) because all monks were copying what others had already copied for hundreds of years ,but old monk gave his comment some thought ,he went off to the place where they store the original records he was missing for many days ,all the monks went down to see what was going on ,he was banging his head against a brick wall ,they all said ,wrong father, he said my god, they got it wrong ,it was not celibate, it was celebrate and we know what history turned out ,with priests being unable to function properly as human being, without marrage, they (some of them) turned on children on the planet so we can see how someone in history made a big mistake .
Life is not what it seems do your own search and trust no one when they try to sell you poison also if you get swine flu jab you will all regret it ,do your own search on everything ,take the word of no one, more so government doctors dentist (who are controlled by politicians or they do not work as my dentist told me they get money from drug reps to pedle their poison )who all have their own opinion and agenda ,if you do your own search find, your own truth ,then you only have you to blame, do not allow them to use scare tactic's as they do now with war terror and swine flu water ect so on .Just do your own search do not hear me or our dentist friend ,do you all think the world is as it should be 22,000 wars /conflicts in 5,000 years through our invasion of other lands all cannot be quite right can it .just do a search on water and food stuff before you choose >>take care all sorry it was so long your health and freedom to choose is important .

Volcano

Sorry gpb but you're really not making much sense. I think you've been reading too many of those crazy 'conspiracy theory' websites. That isn't 'research', it's reading cherry-picked, skewed, extremist and alarmist information which while containing some truths, when taken out of context bears little resemblance to how the situation actually is.

To put it into perspective: If you live in the UK today, your health, life-expectancy, wealth, safety and overall security is at a higher level than EVER before. The dangers we face now are far less than we did 100 years ago and far less than the people who live in developing countries face every, single day.

If living in the UK makes you mad, you could try living somewhere like Somalia that hasn't got a government telling you what to do.

Karl.H_2

Fork86 wrote: »

It should be noted though that mouthwashes shouldn't be used as an alternative to brushing your teeth, but rather an adjunct. They are good for people with poor manual dexterity, and good at masking odours.I find that brushing your teeth correctly for ATLEAST 2 minutes a day, combined with tongue cleaning and flossing between teeth you tend to get food stuck between is more effective than using mouthwash and toothbrushing.

I take good care of my teeth as I want no more than one filling (well, two including a small one)! My next question was going to be about alcohol mouthwash, but you have answered that – thank you. I usually go to the dentists thinking of these questions, but always forget to ask; I don't think they will appreciate a phone call.
Yes I think it's a good idea to floss, brush, mouthwash (I sometimes use soft brushes because a dental nurse told me once that harder brushes are known to recede the gums). In addition, I gently go over my gums; okay, that's a little OTT. :rolleyes:
Seriously, I respect dentists and take more advice than I would from doctors. If a dentist told me to mouthwash with household bleach I probably would. Yeah it's off topic but it's kind of related to flouride - somewhat. This has got me thinking about my teeth and they're sensitive now :rotfl:.

walmslei

In terms of water filtation then fluoride can be removed with reverse omsosis, however, activated alumina cartridges used in a small propotion of cartridge based filters will yield a significant reduction.

In terms of the debate it's a bit of a difficult one. Clearly dentistry is pro-fluoridation and certain aspects of fluoridation seem to be very quickly skimmed over (specifically the way fluoride is sourced - which I don't believe from what I understand to be the same as that sourced for toothpastes and mouthwashes).

I think usually the argument often provided is fluoride occurs naturally (it is actually the 13th most abundant mineral in the earths crust), so adding fluoride to some areas isn't going to make the situation any worse - People that talk to us (we are a water filtation company, who do a tiny tiny proportion of business in fluoridation to be honest) come to us because of their concerns, which you have to accept regardless of which side of the fence you sit on.

I've never personally understood the argument for fluoridation in it's entirety just from a logic perspective. My understanding is the topical application of 1.5ppm of Fluoride has no real positive effect once teeth are formed. I would guess that to be true since toothpastes actually have something like 1000 times the amount of fluoride in. Therefore if such a practice is of 'optimum' benefit during say tooth development which is a relatively narrow period of ones life, then pushing that solution to everyone seems overkill.

I do believe better dental health is necessary, but increasing the numbers of dentists, increasing the number of NHS dental centres including those where you can drop in without being on the books, and who knows, maybe even introducing toothbrushes and toothpastes to children via schools and nursery schools almost like 'automatic prescriptions', ensuring all kids have good brushes and suitable toothpaste, might be a start, and might actually not really be that much more expensive.

However, there are two approaches you can take to this subject. We very much take the view that we offer a product that can do a job and it's down to the individual to identify the need.

Volcano

walmslei wrote: »

In terms of water filtation then fluoride can be removed with reverse omsosis, however, activated alumina cartridges used in a small propotion of cartridge based filters will yield a significant reduction.

That's true, though people will have to ensure they specifically have an activated alumina cartridge; most use activated carbon and ion exchange (such as Brita) filters that won't work on fluoride.

gpb_2

No I am not an alarmist about anything but I do do my home work ,when anyone mass medicates for any reason its well out of order .If we all stay asleep to what people fought for long and hard and many died for in many created wars , we are in trouble and let them /those freedoms go so easy ,we are in trouble, its got nothing about living is somalia or africa or anywhere else for that matter although this world has a enough for all ,we do not want to share it, the tunarmi money still lingers in some european bank africa starves yet its the richest country on the planet in oil minerals gold silver aprthide is gone but still ruled by the whites with black front men .Someone is suggesting fluoride occures naturally in nature, it does and I am ready to except this but its not the same stuff sodium fluoride is an acid from the aluinimum industry ,need I say that again, please do your home work ,do your own search ,mouthwash, use spirits, you at least can drink it see toothpaste box see dotor if swollowed do not give babies tap water ,if its not good enough for babies its no good to you and I .,and let me say If their is a hint of conspirasy in anything there is a partial truth within that conpirasy,the way to hide siomething is put it in your face and the sleeping public will not beleave anything.We talk of somarlia well we the good old UK and many others arm the war lords ,we arm people on both sides, yes we do. Last night on CONTROLLED question time ,George Galloway accused in public, New Labour Geoff Hoon of dealing in arms, he went red and never replied ,who do you think is supplying Libia with nuclear parts to enrich their urainium ,we are, Good old Tony Blair was Gordon Brown is through the back door ,so says a guidian reporter ,did you know (kept very quiet ) some journalists are accusing the WHO of creating a pandemic by issuing vaccine ,that does not work ,we need to do home work ,I read a documents, freedom of information USA, that when in the early part of the last century all those inoculated against the flu pandemic died ,a doctor would not vaccinate his own family, they lived, his daughter wrote a book stating all people who had been vaccinated died,when if they had been left alone most would have lived ,all except those amoung us who are weak or ill ,we need to wake to what is happening in our world, in all areas which do in time effect us all ,lets do right about all in our world ,stop war, stop arms dealing, stop creating illnesses to sell drugs ,stop corrupt politicians, stop party politic's ,do we need any royals and do we need to allow them to live on our charity and if all who make war serve on the front line ,war stops today ,I have served on the front line for many years ,army for well over 22years so I know a thing or two ,did you also know, freedom of information UK states Maggie used SAS /MI5/MI6 to create crowd violence ,so she could use our police, our corrupt laws to get rid of our mining community, which now Brown is opening the pits again, work that one out, also Bliar lied about war as did they all some army civil servents and RAF officer refused to keep fight in this evil war they are now in jail their are many in jail while politicians go free Balir and Bush are war monger whats going on ?,they now steal your/our tax money so now people have to work longer harder for less to pay it all back and your pension will disappear down the drain as many already have 120,000 people lose their homes every year, 120,000 children go missing every year in the Uk alone in the USA its about 4 million whats going on ,its fact ,not conspiriasy we are always at war ,we are so alseep ,we only worry about money tips how we can save /make while we watch politicians who serve us make war ,steal our money and nothing changes education health and spending is a joke, while we have a system of a fudal parliament, they will in fight, we will infight and nothing changes ,their are three places on the planet that do not pay income tax the vatican city /the money mile in London and the fedral reserve, its all a scam not conspirasy and all politicians do and say nothing because our leaders are chosen for us ,to vote for ,we do not choose them ,we get three choises ,all chosen for us and we think we have democrasy, try not pay tax ,try not paying for a TV sorry a BBC licence, the politicians, the law is geared on the side of the utilties and the multi nationals/ bankers, can no one see this .Taxes pay for war and death and your children fight in these wars but the royals and politicians and bankers sons do not fight in them .Do you want a biometric ID card and next be controlled (I carried one for 22years )the thief ,the terrorist will never show his ID card nor will criminals ,so why have them, come on guys see the wood and the trees forget conspirasy look at reality. I served for the country and it took sometime to wake but now its so clear but do not believe me about sodium fluoride or anything else but never believe newsprint Tv or film, the square box in the living room lies to you about everything ,all the time, so do your own search about everything and if you believe politicians and think the law is good, well it is if your a polieman or a politicians ,one law for you ,another for them ,other wise when they stole tax money ,the police would have arrested them and put them in the dock ,then prison but no they paid it back, well some of them have ,no one as started on the Lords yet, whitehall or the MOD.Do you know who kill's more people on our roads per capita of population ,THE POLICE DO ,they kill and injure more people on our roads than any other people yet they go free ,shoot to kill go free ,get promoted ,go on holiday ,get a rise ,go free, they are killing people for the basic right to protest about anything, if you and a friend stand in the street you can be moved on for a breach of the peace for just speaking in your country ,any more than two constitutes a crowd and police can arrest you ,they were arresting government scientists for demonstating against some power station building just standing ,their police the law is on the side of bankers, politicians, muliti-national and against you .I have done extensive studies, read freedom of information ,even thats a con if they can allow you to read freedom of information ,they can take it away, you have never been free not ever ,you just think you are ,try this one see/ look for a thing called COMMON PURPOSE on google .anyway drink the water and pay for it, its your choise to do so or not. I choose NOT, I know thier is no winning but together we can if we all say NO enough is enough,no more war medicated water terror invasion of other countries arms dealing or corruption ,the politicians serve us we do not serve them, we pay them but the law makers are the law breakers .
If in a three horse race you own the horses and riders your always sure of a winner ,its the same with party politic's three parties and all leaders are owned or they do not sniff power ,I believe its the same in all countries .war hate famine terror and we the UK and the USA are the killers invaders and arms dealers .,do you own search about all ,think about it at least then its your choise and you can live with that right or wrong .GPB

Cardew

Wow!

All this as a result of Fluoride in water??

Volcano

Cardew wrote: »

Wow!

All this as a result of Fluoride in water??

Clearly the thin end of the Mother-of-all-wedges..........

DVardysShadow

gpb wrote: »

No I am not an alarmist about anything ... 120,000 children go missing every year in the Uk alone in the USA its about 4 million whats going on ,its fact ,not conspiriasy we are always at war ,we are so alseep ,we only worry about money tips how we can save /make while we watch politicians who serve us make war ,steal our money and nothing changes education health and spending is a joke, while we have a system of a fudal parliament, they will in fight, we will infight and nothing changes ,their are three places on the planet that do not pay income tax the vatican city /the money mile in London and the fedral reserve, its all a scam not conspirasy and all politicians do and say nothing because our leaders are chosen for us ...

I can see you are not alarmist, but you are far too laid back about this. Fist of all, although you say there are 3 places on the planet where they do not pay income tax. But you fail to state that everywhere outside the planet does not pay income tax, so it is probably reasonable to assume that the places on the planet which do not pay income tax are actually outposts of our extra terrestrial masters. It would certainly explain 120,000 UK and 4,000,000 US children going missing if you think that they are being taken by beings from outerspace who do not pay income tax.