fluoride in water

gpb_2

I have not paid a WATER bill in two years (i WANT TO) severn trent water lied to me about this(putting it in our water supply ) and I refused to pay for mass medicated water.They say its nothing to do with them its the area health authority who gave them permission through the european union (although they have banned it in the european union and IOM and scotland) but all England are forced to have it under New Labour )down through OUR CORRUPT NEW lABOUR GOVERNMENT .I have done my home work on this toxic poison sodium fluoride and have filtered my water /bought water and will not brush my teeth in this poison for many years now about 14 years ,it even says do not give water from the tap to babys in their feed also on the tooth paste tube it says if swallowed consult a doctor and most science says its poison even government scientists say its poison but Gordon Brown was not interested I wonder why ? ,so why would I except medicated water from anyone more so a private water company who broke the contract as customer supplier ,Its me who pays the bill here, I want clean un-medicated water without pee and other medication which they are not able to filter out people taking medication then peeing in the water which is not filtered out , this is why we are all sick ,it was used in the camps by hitler and stalin now New labours corruption and mass medication programme ,it as nothing to do with childrens teeth ,its untried untested and only a doctor can medicate ME IF i GIVE HIM PERMISSION NOT GOVERNMENT . I saw some men one morning putting something is the supply on cannock chase one morning about 4 am ,they put a bowser full of liquid into the mains supply and severn trent will not give and explanation for this ,I saw them put something in the water about 4 times .Its about to go to court the government changed the law telling people they had to pay but if they got sick government would pay compansation, how head banging is this ,the police and the law are on their side I believe well over 12 million have refused and the deptment of health is picking up the tab and government intend to take the money from peoples wages or their bank accounts under new laws they are bringing out ..sorry its so long but your health is at stake ..gpb

Fork86

gpb wrote: »

I have not paid a WATER bill in two years (i WANT TO) severn trent water lied to me about this(putting it in our water supply ) and I refused to pay for mass medicated water.They say its nothing to do with them its the area health authority who gave them permission through the european union (although they have banned it in the european union and IOM and scotland) but all England are forced to have it under New Labour )down through OUR CORRUPT NEW lABOUR GOVERNMENT .I have done my home work on this toxic poison sodium fluoride and have filtered my water /bought water and will not brush my teeth in this poison for many years now about 14 years ,it even says do not give water from the tap to babys in their feed also on the tooth paste tube it says if swallowed consult a doctor and most science says its poison even government scientists say its poison but Gordon Brown was not interested I wonder why ? ,so why would I except medicated water from anyone more so a private water company who broke the contract as customer supplier ,Its me who pays the bill here, I want clean un-medicated water without pee and other medication which they are not able to filter out people taking medication then peeing in the water which is not filtered out , this is why we are all sick ,it was used in the camps by hitler and stalin now New labours corruption and mass medication programme ,it as nothing to do with childrens teeth ,its untried untested and only a doctor can medicate ME IF i GIVE HIM PERMISSION NOT GOVERNMENT . I saw some men one morning putting something is the supply on cannock chase one morning about 4 am ,they put a bowser full of liquid into the mains supply and severn trent will not give and explanation for this ,I saw them put something in the water about 4 times .Its about to go to court the government changed the law telling people they had to pay but if they got sick government would pay compansation, how head banging is this ,the police and the law are on their side I believe well over 12 million have refused and the deptment of health is picking up the tab and government intend to take the money from peoples wages or their bank accounts under new laws they are bringing out ..sorry its so long but your health is at stake ..gpb

As a recently graduating Dental student, and having extensively studied the area of water fluoridation, I can positively say without hesitation there are no health implications (negative that is...).

The benefit to the supplied populations oral health is significantly better, which not only significantly reduces the incidence of dental disease, but were it more widespread, greatly reduce GDP lost through days off work from dental related pain.

There are numerous studies that advocate these benefits, and denounce any poisonous affects for the concentrations supplied.

All in all though, peoples autonomy should be respected.

gpb_2

Hi sorry I appriceiate your comment but if your told something at this sort of place dental school ,like doctors, if its wrong its never put right .Have you been told this or done your own study,I suggest all do thier own study . we should not be mass medicated anyway even if it does what you think it does ,no one has this right RIGHT gpb.
Does mass medication seem right to anyone .I ask where does sodium fluoride come from, tell me this sir if you know .Its TOXIC WASTE POISON 3rd on the list mercury ect

Fork86

gpb wrote: »

Hi sorry I appriceiate your comment but if your told something at this sort of place dental school ,like doctors, if its wrong its never put right .Have you been told this or done your own study,I suggest all do thier own study . we should not be mass medicated anyway even if it does what you think it does ,no one has this right RIGHT gpb.
Does mass medication seem right to anyone .I ask where does sodium fluoride come from, tell me this sir if you know .Its TOXIC WASTE POISON 3rd on the list mercury ect

Firstly, we don't just blindly believe anything. All research has to be vetted and put through vigorous stages of validation.

Water fluoridation can be achieved via sodium fluoride, fluorosilicic acid, or sodium fluorosilicate. While ingesting large 'concentrations' (such as fluoride varnish) of these substances can be poisonous, this must not be confused with injesting large amounts at a low concentration, such as fluoridated drinking water, where there is no risk of poison.

Besides, please read the end of my last post, I did agree with you by stating everyones autonomy should be respected, regardless of the enormous benefits to the nation.

Ofcourse, when the government/water companies are recouping the costs of fluoridation from our taxes, it becomes an even greater issue where the opinion of the population is vital, and should perhaps be sought after more effectively.

Correct me if I am wrong, but not many cities in the UK have fluoridated water (while many contain natural fluoride from the surroundings!), and only when there is enough interest from the consumers of the water supply, as well as the cost factor with respect to the water company, will it become fluoridated.

Many people want their supplies fluoridated, but are refused by the water companies because of the costs...

VDRUID

The European Court of Justices has made the addition to water illegal.
The ruling suggests that an export ban of all UK and Eire products which have been created with fluoride added water.
The reason for the ban is the serious health risk posed.
Interesting!
Type European Courts of Justices Fluoride Case

VDRUID

Sorry should have ended into Google!

Karl.H_2

gpb wrote: »

I have not paid a WATER bill in two years

:beer: How do you get away with this. I respect people who stand up for what they believe in. Good on you.

I hear your plight. I strongly agree we should be given the choice to take 'medication' and to know what is put into our water. I have, however, been drinking tap water for many years and have not really thought about the content and I do use tooth paste.Yes, research (most likely commissioned by the Government) tells us it's safe but I am not an expert in the field so my argument is somewhat useless. Also, what we are told is not always what's good for us. Researchers say the same thing about mobile phone masts; we don't know who to believe. Something funny has just occurred to me: I had a couple of German exchange student friends who would only buy bottled water, and now I know why. I should have asked them why.

Fork86 wrote: »

As a recently graduating Dental student, and having extensively studied the area of water fluoridation, I can positively say without hesitation there are no health implications (negative that is...)..

How have you managed to 'extensively' study this area out of interest? I am assuming you have read around. I will certainly be asking my dentist when I see him for his opinion. Oh, while I am here, can I ask you a question: does using too much mouthwash damage our teeth? And are expensive ones better than cheaper versions?

gpb wrote: »

Does mass medication seem right to anyone

Not me.

Does anyone know if toothpaste from other countries use fluoride?

Cardew

Karl.H wrote: »

How have you managed to 'extensively' study this area out of interest? I am assuming you have read around. I will certainly be asking my dentist when I see him for his opinion.

I think you will find that dentists a pretty unanimous that Fluoride in water is a good thing.

You can get some views here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation

However one thing is certain, this subject arouses the very strongest emotions in the anti-brigade and you will never get a balanced and reasoned argument from them; it is poison and those who encourage its use are idiots.

Me I have no idea of the merits of the case either way; but I tend to side with Dentists and without doubt dental health is far better these days.

Fork86

Karl.H wrote: »

How have you managed to 'extensively' study this area out of interest? I am assuming you have read around. I will certainly be asking my dentist when I see him for his opinion. Oh, while I am here, can I ask you a question: does using too much mouthwash damage our teeth? And are expensive ones better than cheaper versions?

Does anyone know if toothpaste from other countries use fluoride?

We search for studies that have been conducted on databases such as Cochrane. It is important to grade the reliability of each individual study before arriving at any conclusion, as some methods of data collection through to inability to account for other variables can affect this. You will probably struggle to find a dentist that will deny the benefits of fluoridation.

Some mouthwashes can cause staining of teeth when used excessively (corsodyl, a chlorhexadine gluconate containing mouthwash comes to mind).It is probably the soft tissues in the mouth that will be affected more than the teeth, causing irritation (particularly in alcohol containing ones)...

More acidic types of mouthwashes can cause enamel erosion and lead to sensitivity, but that is with excessive use. Damage can be further inflicted if teeth are brushed after the use of an acidic mouthwash, as the softened enamel is worn away (so brush before rinsing!)

Neutral, fluoride containing mouthwashes are therefore the best.

Also, alcohol containing mouthwashes are a BIG no no for people that smoke or chew tobacco as this increases the risk of oral cancer.

It should be noted though that mouthwashes shouldn't be used as an alternative to brushing your teeth, but rather an adjunct. They are good for people with poor manual dexterity, and good at masking odours.

I find that brushing your teeth correctly for ATLEAST 2 minutes a day, combined with tongue cleaning and flossing between teeth you tend to get food stuck between is more effective than using mouthwash and toothbrushing.

Sorry for the OTT post...

Volcano

This has been done to death on the other board:

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=827309&page=24

You're far better off worrying about definite causes of illness such as obesity, smoking, excess alcohol etc than something with, at worse, indeterminate effects that can easily be avoided by drinking bottled water.

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Our dd is a dentist and she is in favour of floridation. I am very anti being mass medicated because certain sectors of society cannot be bothered to look after their own teeth properly and that of their children

No point getting stressed though. I use a good water filter, which gets rid of all the nasties