Is immigration good for the UK economy.

bluey890

lostinrates wrote: »

As someone who has benefitted from the ability to move between countries I wonder what the impact of ''closing the borders would be'' fom UK people working abroad and sending money home, very braodly speaking the British have good jobs abroad. We certainly saved while living outside UK to eventually spend here, just as we save here.

I hve concerns about resources, but I feel a ''closure of the borders'' would not be in our best interests and feel the issue is more complex than is usually portrayed as regards employment.

A simple close the borders policy would be detrimental IMHO.
The UK can't legislate other countries policies, it can employ improved criteria for its own immigration though.

lostinrates

bluey890 wrote: »

A simple close the borders policy would be detrimental IMHO.
The UK can't legislate other countries policies, it can employ improved criteria for its own immigration though.

Thr Uks behaviour would influence other countries treatment of us. If we tighten for other countries I believe they would return the favour.

But yes, there is much scope to control the situation but even more still to consider people acting outside the terms of their visas. Its very hard to discuss this in a way that doesn't get every cultural imbecile and xenophobe trying to bang their different drum to a similalr rhythm though.

bluey890

lostinrates wrote: »

Thr Uks behaviour would influence other countries treatment of us. If we tighten for other countries I believe they would return the favour.

Australia and Canada (from my understanding) have tighter immigration rules than the UK. It doesn't mean the UK has tightened the migration rules from those countries. My viewpoint is that some countries may 'return the favour', some may not.

lostinrates wrote: »

But yes, there is much scope to control the situation but even more still to consider people acting outside the terms of their visas. Its very hard to discuss this in a way that doesn't get every cultural imbecile and xenophobe trying to bang their different drum to a similalr rhythm though.

So very true.

lostinrates

bluey890 wrote: »

It doesn't mean the UK has tightened the migration rules from those countries.
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Yeah, but we're odd.;)

The entry requirements to other coutries are interesting. Take Canada for example, one of the ways (used to be?) is to have a Masters degree, I think. With such a large number of graduates in UK it strikes me for us to get a master degree is less impossible than for countries where a lower percentage of people proceed to higher education. It also is possible, though I'm theorising, not making a statement of belief, that this would ork against us, as with soany of ''us'' investing heavily in education taking more people in with higher education rather than lower academic requiring job ambition we're increasing our competition in jobs that we want, IYSWIM.

English speaking remains important skill for many overseas employers, English nationality less so.

It also could be strongly argued a big drain on UK is not availabilty of employment but availabilty of option of not being employed for many who could be. It strikes me that the answer lies within. Edit: or maybe part of the answer.

(lir, who is playing percussion with Bluey I think.)

bluey890

lostinrates wrote: »

Yeah, but we're odd.;)

The entry requirements to other coutries are interesting. Take Canada for example, one of the ways (used to be?) is to have a Masters degree, I think. With such a large number of graduates in UK it strikes me for us to get a master degree is less impossible than for countries where a lower percentage of people proceed to higher education. It also is possible, though I'm theorising, not making a statement of belief, that this would ork against us, as with soany of ''us'' investing heavily in education taking more people in with higher education rather than lower academic requiring job ambition we're increasing our competition in jobs that we want, IYSWIM.

With every man (/ woman) and their dog having degrees it does make it more competitive for the good jobs. Many of these degrees don't prepare people for work as well as they should either, would be useful to see a little more university co-operation with employers when creating the degrees.

lostinrates wrote: »

It also could be strongly argued a big drain on UK is not availabilty of employment but availabilty of option of not being employed for many who could be. It strikes me that the answer lies within.

Yes, the government does what it can to drive up GDP. It puts little value on the work individuals do at home, or the value of proffession retraining. (have I understood correctly..)

lostinrates wrote: »

(lir, who is playing percussion with Bluey I think.)

So long as it's not too loud . Have flu like symptoms, am here trying to keep my somewhat fuzzy brain busy.

lostinrates

bluey890 wrote: »

With every man (/ woman) and their dog having degrees it does make it more competitive for the good jobs. Many of these degrees don't prepare people for work as well as they should either, would be useful to see a little more university co-operation with employers when creating the degrees.

I have a lot of gripes about UK university system/entrance. Another point is that in some other places work support not jut the system, but literally the students. I was amaed at how much time from work DH's young Italian colleagues were missing fr university. It was disruptive, and not the perfect answer, but it ment they were both learning and learning how to be good emloyees. I have no idea whether this was profession dependant. On my course work placeents were required: the standard of the placements was incredibly variable. Not all graduates even from the same course at the same place are academically equally prepared. Very difficult for employers.

Yes, the government does what it can to drive up GDP. It puts little value on the work individuals do at home, or the value of proffession retraining. (have I understood correctly..)

I don't know

So long as it's not too loud . Have flu like symptoms, am on here trying to keep my somewhat fuzzy brain busy.

My brain is always fuzzy, no flu.:o:o grasp at facts and understanding and clarity like a cat chasing butterflies in the sun.

bluey890

lostinrates wrote: »

My brain is always fuzzy, no flu.:o:o grasp at facts and understanding and clarity like a cat chasing butterflies in the sun.

I hazard to guess what you would be like without the fuzzy brain. Even with the fuzz you are one of few to fall within this category:
The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two apposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function. F. Scott Fitzgerald

<*if anyone else is reading, before you ask, you're included you too >

lostinrates

bluey890 wrote: »

I hazard to guess what you would be like without the fuzzy brain.

Its very difficult to know how to respond to that

Less fuzzy? Smooth? Sharp? Hyperresolute?

bluey890

lostinrates wrote: »

Its very difficult to know how to respond to that

Less fuzzy? Smooth? Sharp? Hyperresolute?

Maybe all of the above..?
(not to say that you are not these anyway.)

lostinrates

bluey890 wrote: »

Maybe all of the above..?
(not to say that you are not these anyway.)

Thats ok, I am none of the above these days. But I am fuzzier than felt. WHich has taken as, fuzzily back to where this fuzz v antonym of fuz discussion started: and can't have helped your flu. I hope you are, do you have a flu friend? (I'm obcessed with the flu friend thing, and I admit, though very sensible I find it [STRIKE]slightly[/STRIKE] comical)