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Failed ESA Medical!!

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  • Garry_Anderson
    Garry_Anderson Posts: 11,896 Forumite
    You are taking the pee "assessed wrongly" - from zero to twenty-one - like Nelson when he said, "I see no ships" - they don't want to see that the people are too ill.

    Indeed, many of these people are too ill to fight in appeal - the DWP rely on this e.g. the stress and effort of this procedure almost killed me - weight wise, I went down to below 9 stone - at 6 feet tall.

    There is a systemic problem - and I'm certain you know it - all these cases on the many threads here are the tip of the iceburg - but I suppose you'd like to pretend that everybody who has been marked wrongly posts on this forum ;)
    ESA wrote: »
    There are millions of people on benefit and relatively few of them post on here. If people dont have the courage to fight a wrong decision them that, frankly, is their problem and not anyone elses.

    BTW, who is to say that the person that gave 21 was not the person that was wrong, perhaps the 0 was right?

    I'm not arguing this particular case though as none of us know enough to comment authoratively on it.

    It is not about having the 'courage' - it is about being well enough - but you know this.

    The appeal is to *review* the evidence - so it is the 21 that is correct - therefore the initial so-called 'medical test' was a travesty - not simply an injustice - but a wrongdoing of fraud against the poor claimant - taking away their legal entitlement.

    We *know* for a *fact* that all these cases we hear on this forum point to something being seriously wrong - I state again; that is a fact.
  • robpw2
    robpw2 Posts: 14,044 Forumite
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    cit_k wrote: »
    the ATOS / Royal Mail medical


    So that would pretty much satisfy many of the IB descriptors.....

    But the second dwp/ATOS medical awarded ZERO points....

    Not consistant really with the first report at all....

    http://www.rightsnet.org.uk/dc/dcboard.php?az=printer_friendly&forum=111&topic_id=433&mesg_id=636
    however if he used a wheelchair for example then he would be able to work in an office .. /retail - i suppose he could even do his own job not that i have ever seen a post man in wheelchair and the pavements would be a nightmare lol especially near where i live


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  • NASA_2
    NASA_2 Posts: 5,571 Forumite
    cit_k wrote: »
    the ATOS / Royal Mail medical


    So that would pretty much satisfy many of the IB descriptors.....

    But the second dwp/ATOS medical awarded ZERO points....

    Not consistant really with the first report at all....

    http://www.rightsnet.org.uk/dc/dcboard.php?az=printer_friendly&forum=111&topic_id=433&mesg_id=636
    That link just leads to a post on another forum similar to this. No real background to either decision is shown:confused:
  • NASA_2
    NASA_2 Posts: 5,571 Forumite
    It is not about having the 'courage' - it is about being well enough - but you know this.

    The appeal is to *review* the evidence - so it is the 21 that is correct - therefore the initial so-called 'medical test' was a travesty - not simply an injustice - but a wrongdoing of fraud against the poor claimant - taking away their legal entitlement.

    We *know* for a *fact* that all these cases we hear on this forum point to something being seriously wrong - I state again; that is a fact.

    Hmm, are tribunals incapable of getting things wrong?

    If not then surely they can get it wrong in both directions.

    We hear about a handful of cases where things go wrong - we also hear cases where things have gone swimmingly for the claimant involved. Those cases point to something being terribly right.
  • Ames
    Ames Posts: 18,459 Forumite
    I think the key is the support available to get into, and stay in, work. I don't see how farming it out to private companies is going to help this. They're not going to provide courses etc as it will eat into their profits. Someone who's done manual labour all their lives may physically be able to work in an office, but without computer skills etc they wont get a job. So they'll just be languishing on JSA instead.

    My sister's just finished uni and is looking for a job, she's just signed on and is disgusted that there's no actualy help in getting a job, the first interview they just wanted to check her id to make sure she was really her, the second they just wanted to know she'd been applying for jobs. No courses on interview skills, or how to write a covering letter, nothing. If they're not even helping the people who want to work then how on earth are they going to help the more difficult cases?
    Unless I say otherwise 'you' means the general you not you specifically.
  • robpw2
    robpw2 Posts: 14,044 Forumite
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    tibunals can get things wrong too

    allof these assements should be carried out by more than one Trained person and recorded so that both parties have proof of whats been said and the descison making shouls be more open than it is at present


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  • robpw2
    robpw2 Posts: 14,044 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture Combo Breaker
    Ames wrote: »
    I think the key is the support available to get into, and stay in, work. I don't see how farming it out to private companies is going to help this. They're not going to provide courses etc as it will eat into their profits. Someone who's done manual labour all their lives may physically be able to work in an office, but without computer skills etc they wont get a job. So they'll just be languishing on JSA instead.

    My sister's just finished uni and is looking for a job, she's just signed on and is disgusted that there's no actualy help in getting a job, the first interview they just wanted to check her id to make sure she was really her, the second they just wanted to know she'd been applying for jobs. No courses on interview skills, or how to write a covering letter, nothing. If they're not even helping the people who want to work then how on earth are they going to help the more difficult cases?
    these however are availible once you have been out of work for 13 weeks

    perhaps those who are on esa and fail medical should be put straight on new deal etc or something similar to enable them to get true support back to work


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  • seeya23
    seeya23 Posts: 2,330 Forumite
    just book my ESA Medical i have a mental illness now im worring like mad thinking im going to get turn down
  • NASA_2
    NASA_2 Posts: 5,571 Forumite
    Ames wrote: »
    I think the key is the support available to get into, and stay in, work. I don't see how farming it out to private companies is going to help this. They're not going to provide courses etc as it will eat into their profits. Someone who's done manual labour all their lives may physically be able to work in an office, but without computer skills etc they wont get a job. So they'll just be languishing on JSA instead.

    My sister's just finished uni and is looking for a job, she's just signed on and is disgusted that there's no actualy help in getting a job, the first interview they just wanted to check her id to make sure she was really her, the second they just wanted to know she'd been applying for jobs. No courses on interview skills, or how to write a covering letter, nothing. If they're not even helping the people who want to work then how on earth are they going to help the more difficult cases?
    I'm not a big fan of 'New Labour' but one thing I do agree with them on is that the workforce has to be flexible. I appreciate that they need to follow such statements up with actual practical help and that, IMO, is where they have to improve.
  • NASA_2
    NASA_2 Posts: 5,571 Forumite
    seeya23 wrote: »
    just book my ESA Medical i have a mental illness now im worring like mad thinking im going to get turn down
    Nothing that is said on here will change what happens at the medical. Its all opinions and conjecture.
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