Weekly sign-on at Job Centre

wishface

SomeBozo wrote: »

I'll say to you what I have said to others that insult people trying to help them.

Those "muppets" have something that you don't.

Guessed it yet?

A full time job.

Bozo

If you assume that jobcentre staff are there to help people you assume wrong.

But well done for judging people on the basis of whether they have a job or not. Looks like you're a muppet as well; have you considered a career in the DWP bureaucracy?

Oh and btw you ignorant !!!!wit, I don't claim JSA. Enjoy your ignorance, turd.

wishface

busy_mom wrote: »

Please explain exactly why we are muppets :mad:

chnelomi wrote: »

They done the weekly signing on to my OH what a nightmare that caused. It was supposedly so that you spend more one to one time with the adviser looking for suitable jobs and filling in applications. The adviser kept giving OH a job for a HGV driver and when he didn't return the filled application adviser went to a supervisor to see if OH should be removed from JSA as he was not meeting the criteria ie activly seeking work.

Now this was not OH being picky about the job it was a great wage good hours too, the problem was OH dose not have a HGV license. Then the following week OH got an interview from an application filled in at JC but it would mean missing signing on time. So he went to JC told them said to check etc they said it was fine come in after interview even wished him luck.

The adviser refused to let him sign on and we had to reclaim JSA even though they knew and said it was fine. Sorry rant over but it really annoyed me.

asked and answered.

wishface

busy_mom wrote: »

You expect staff to be friendly when we are faced with a colourful display of abuse and happy friendly jobseekers every day:rolleyes:

I have had to see 2 jobseekers today who have complained against staff because 1 person was told they couldn't go back to college full time for 2 years and still sign on, he called the memebr of staff a total !!!! and procedded to rant and rave at me. The second clearly stated he hadn't bothered looking for work for the last 2 weeks because he had better things to do ( don't we all) then had the cheek to call me a ......(can't repeat all the things) and said he would be waiting outside for me after work because his money was not paid as he clearly wasn't jobseeking:mad:

You expect me to spend the rest of the day smiling?

I think all reasonable people expect is for the JC staff to do their job properly and professionally. IME that's beyond them. Never mind being friendly, I'd settle for someone who wasn't snide, manipulative, and who wasn't a barefaced liar.

But of course JC staff never behave like that, do they. And if they do it's obviously because of the hordes of abusive unemployed plebs that constatnly threaten them all day long.

This government, through the DWP, treates the poor and vulnerable (some of whom know no better) like crap and then you wonder why get shouted at.

red_devil

I cant understand how they have got the time and the staff to do weekly signings arent they under pressure now with all the people out of work.

On the news yesterday it showed people queuing to get into a jc!

red_devil

against becoming unemployed and giving people a right to claim JSA.
By all means be hard on the shirkers who after 6 months show no intention of looking for work but treat those who may be claiming for the first time with some dignity.[/QUOTE]

which shirkers are they then? Do you know them and their circumstances!

Nobody is allowed to shirk everyone has to prove they are looking for work thats a condition of the JSA and everyone has to go on courses otherwise they lose benefit.

Its abit of an untruth that people on Jsa are allowed to do as they please they face much more pressure than people on Income Support.

willsonline

I can only speak from my experience but most of the JC staff I've come across are very friendly and do not demean at all. Its good that the Govt have put alot of money into the system and you can see that by looking at the refurb'd buildings etc...

I just think the staff should focus on more imortant things than weekly sign-ons for people. I accept the point about the system being setup before the downturn, perhaps this needs to be looked at again?

Bamber19

wishface wrote: »

If you assume that jobcentre staff are there to help people you assume wrong.

But well done for judging people on the basis of whether they have a job or not. Looks like you're a muppet as well; have you considered a career in the DWP bureaucracy?

Oh and btw you ignorant !!!!wit, I don't claim JSA. Enjoy your ignorance, turd.

But apparently it's perfectly ok for you to judge a large group of people for the very same reason, that they have a job, albeit a specific one

wishface wrote: »

asked and answered.

Great, an anecdote... that proves they're all muppets.

wishface wrote: »

I think all reasonable people expect is for the JC staff to do their job properly and professionally. IME that's beyond them. Never mind being friendly, I'd settle for someone who wasn't snide, manipulative, and who wasn't a barefaced liar.

But of course JC staff never behave like that, do they. And if they do it's obviously because of the hordes of abusive unemployed plebs that constatnly threaten them all day long.

This government, through the DWP, treates the poor and vulnerable (some of whom know no better) like crap and then you wonder why get shouted at.

Most do do their job properly but the customers don't have half a clue what the staff members job involves. The most common questions in jobcentres should be dealt with by processing centres and people always get annoyed when they're told they're asking the wrong person, in addition to that there are enquiries that are nothing to do with the DWP but people seem to think the Jobcentre is a one stop shop for enquiries about anything in their life.

I'm sure most jobcentre staff try and remain impartial and do their job properly and in my experience there wasn't this attitude that everyone was scum which seems to be one of the constant accusations on here, albeit without any evidence, most people are friendly and polite, come in and sign or make an enquiry and leave but then there's the others, the constant lies, claims someone told them they didn't need to sign and that's why they didn't come in. then perhaps worse than this group, those with a chip on their shoulder that come in with an us and them, you are the enemy, attitude and basically look for a fight, and when they are not entertained and either give in or storm off and receive no money they run to a forum to complain about the attitudes of staff who've done nothing but try to do their job in the face of heavy resistance from someone who wants their bi-weekly giro but doesn't want to do anything for it, or at least doesn't want to show that they've done anything for it.

willsonline wrote: »

I just think the staff should focus on more imortant things than weekly sign-ons for people. I accept the point about the system being setup before the downturn, perhaps this needs to be looked at again?

Yeah, that's what I was saying really, it's not perfect for the current climate, but as far as I know weekly signing has been suspended in plenty of areas for this very reason.

sharski

wishface wrote: »

after three and six months you are obliged to attend weekly.

it serves no purpose, but the JC muppets seem to think that by attending weekly more jobs will magically become available.

quite why people need to attend at all is beyond me. Of course it's because those selfsame bureaucrats need the work and incorrectly assume that people are of course lazy.

Oh here we go.. wishface & his pathetic ideals!!

Of course, it's the JC muppets who make the rules, innit..???!! Idiot!

sharski

Just out of interest in our office, signing staff are now signing 150 EACH per day (instead of 30)...
Alright, smart !!!!!!... 150 customers over 7.5 hours..... you do the maths....not a lot of time with each person is it???
So what are you expecting the staff to do in their 4 mins minutes allocated????

Bamber19

sharski wrote: »

So what are you expecting the staff to do in their 4 mins minutes allocated????

From what I gather of this forum the answer to your question is that they should firstly apologise as it is clearly the Jobcentre staff' fault that any client is unemployed, secondly they should forget any intervention as it is simply degrading to have to spend 4 minutes proving that you are looking for work, thirdly they should ensure their watch batteries are fitted properly as apparently it is common for customers to end up waiting at least 2 hours before being seen (Jobcentres have now defied all logic and known fundamentals of time and are open 58 hours a day to ensure all those who are left waiting get seen.) and finally they should ensure they show no signs of being human, a smile, a conversation or simply breathing as that is the standard expected and everyone who has to sign on and previously worked for a living ever, in their career, turned away from a piece of work for a minute or 2 to engage in a conversation with a colleague.

Either that or they can simply continue doing their job as they do now and hope that the handful of customers who suffer from vivid imaginations and constant bouts of exaggeration either find a job and take their moaning elsewhere or grow up and stop acting like children.