Wages!!

never-in-doubt

masonic wrote: »

Maybe I'm having a hard time grasping your scenario because I've never seen a contract of employment that does not specify how and when you will be paid, including a phrase such as "your nominated account" or an account "of your choice". Surely no contract of employment omits this information?

I don't think you'll find it on many employment contracts, more on the internal change of details form, or salary mandate form.

The COE simply declares the employer will pay you. The change of details/salary mandate may stipulate the words 'a nominated account' etc.....

To be honest different employers do things differently..... we know that, but I for one have been getting wifes wage into my sole account for years and never been queried or refused by her employer or my bank.

never-in-doubt

jonesMUFCforever wrote: »

I agree with the poster - your account COULD be blocked.

No it could not! Mate you know I usually agree with you but on this one it's just wrong.

What is so hard to grasp here? You have managers telling you they cannot - unless they suspect fraud then they have no right to do it! Notice crispy hasn't came back and substantiated this?

Can you? Do you work for a bank? Do you understand AML? It cannot and will not be blocked! Prove me wrong - please be my guest!

injaroc

In previous jobs I have always had my wages paid into my husbands account but my current one wouldnt let me do it and I had to open a new account. The reason they gave me (from payroll) was incase my OH refused to give me any of the money or e split up and they paid the money to his account etc. A bit silly imo if I and he authorises it I dont see a prob with it.

td_007

injaroc wrote: »

In previous jobs I have always had my wages paid into my husbands account but my current one wouldnt let me do it and I had to open a new account. The reason they gave me (from payroll) was incase my OH refused to give me any of the money or e split up and they paid the money to his account etc. A bit silly imo if I and he authorises it I dont see a prob with it.

Thanks for highlighting your case...the second one now : The question is not really can the employer do this, but more so why should I insist otherwise?

never-in-doubt

injaroc wrote: »

In previous jobs I have always had my wages paid into my husbands account but my current one wouldnt let me do it and I had to open a new account. The reason they gave me (from payroll) was incase my OH refused to give me any of the money or e split up and they paid the money to his account etc. A bit silly imo if I and he authorises it I dont see a prob with it.

That would have nothing to do with your employer and a simple 'sorry, mind your own business' would suffice. Failing that, you simply change the account name to 'Mr & Mrs XXXXXXXX' which would not matter and would allow it to proceed.

td_007 wrote: »

Thanks for highlighting your case...the second one now : The question is not really can the employer do this, but more so why should I insist otherwise?

No the point was and remains can I do it to which the answer is a resounding yes! Your employer is not the judge, jury and exocutioner! Last I knew you told them where to pay you, not ask them? Maybe i'm missing something then cos I know for a fact my HR dept wouldn't ever argue with the staff about something so trivial.

The fact is and remains that an employer cannot refuse to pay you, if they do then seek legal advice and warn the employer they are breaking the law. If it crosses over to the next pay cycle then they have actually committed an offence.

td_007

never-in-doubt wrote: »

No the point was and remains can I do it to which the answer is a resounding yes! Your employer is not the judge, jury and exocutioner! Last I knew you told them where to pay you, not ask them? Maybe i'm missing something then cos I know for a fact my HR dept wouldn't ever argue with the staff about something so trivial.

The fact is and remains that an employer cannot refuse to pay you, if they do then seek legal advice and warn the employer they are breaking the law. If it crosses over to the next pay cycle then they have actually committed an offence.

I wrote out my post #91 after having a chat with a financial director and he was quite unequivocal that the company can find enough legal resources to defend itself if an employee choose to go down the legal route. In the end the company will win unless the employee can show a very valid reason.

masonic

td_007 wrote: »

Ok...just had a look at my contracts. These are from 3 different employers -
1. Employer 1 (1000+ employees) ".....will be paid monthly on the last working day of the month"
2. Employer 2 (contractor 1000+ employees: "....paid on weekly basis"
3. Employer 3 (100K+employees): "....will be paid monthly in arrears by direct bank transfer"

While all specify frequency of payment, none of them specify mode of payment except #3 call out bank transfer but do not detail it.

Perhaps it varies from industry to industry then. I would be a little uneasy about signing a contract that didn't spell out the terms of the one main thing I was getting out of working for the employer. In two of the above examples, what's to stop the employer suddently handing out cheques on the specified day, leaving employees with an unexpected clearing time to add to the time they have to wait for their funds to be available to them?

masonic

never-in-doubt wrote: »

I don't think you'll find it on many employment contracts, more on the internal change of details form, or salary mandate form.

The COE simply declares the employer will pay you. The change of details/salary mandate may stipulate the words 'a nominated account' etc.....

To be honest different employers do things differently..... we know that, but I for one have been getting wifes wage into my sole account for years and never been queried or refused by her employer or my bank.

I've found when a has the necessary forms available, they usually also have a written policy as well. That policy tends to be referred to in the COE, but apparently this is not always the case.

Extant

Barclays_Contract wrote:

Your salary must be paid in to a Barclays Group Account. This may be an account in your or your partner's name. You will normally be paid on the 23rd of the month. If the 23rd falls on a Friday, you will be paid on that day. Equally, if payday falls on a Saturday or a Sunday, you will be paid on the preceding Friday. If the 23rd falls on a Bank Holiday, salary payment will be made on the preceding business day. This will cover 3 weeks paid in arrears and 1 week paid in advance.

There you have it, from a 2008 Barclays B7 contract. Barclays is willing, as an international, multi-billion pound banking company, to pay their employee's salaries into an account in your partner's name - doesn't sit well with these claims that banks freeze accounts of those doing the same...

The above is all my contract has to say about payments.

never-in-doubt

td_007 wrote: »

I wrote out my post #91 after having a chat with a financial director and he was quite unequivocal that the company can find enough legal resources to defend itself if an employee choose to go down the legal route. In the end the company will win unless the employee can show a very valid reason.

Yes mate I understand where you're coming from but we're digging into something that doesn't need to be dug up!

Ok, question was can I get paid into an account that isn't mine - the answer is yes.

There are loads of permutations and scenarios but realistically, if you were to put your name on the salary mandate with someone elses account details then you will be paid into this account - no problem.

This is undisputed and cannot be disputed as it is actually quite factual. The after effects of taking legal action etc would never come into it cos we'd simply lie about the account holders name!